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Model Madness Anonymous 03/30/2023 (Thu) 15:09:08 No. 2646
A general thread for anyone to discuss bbw models, model training, model merging, or anything involving the mixing, or creation of models. bbw-30k-step: https://mega.nz/folder/WFk13apa#WvCEO8IoqgSaeoKQILeIqg LoRAs (contains multiple style loras for different artists such as pewbutt, kipteitei, and others): https://mega.nz/folder/sShj1LpS#Zh5ZxGO3uwK4QEaZ2X6z1w Cocoa+Tea Model Merges and Chuuba Mixes based off of bbw-30k-step: https://mega.nz/folder/v80QhCCZ#TaTb_8vErCq0efZYdFh35Q
>>4912 >>5019 that's way, way too fat. I can't get any sizes that aren't total blobs out of these.
>>5746 >aurora borealis >which is already known for having an overall smaller size compared to GAME >is too big. how to tell me you haven't used the model without telling me you haven't used the model. Or better yet, post your images, so I can tell you what you are doing wrong, and help you get what you want out of the model.
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>>5761 >says posted images are too big >"UMMM ACTCHUALLY THEYRE NOT TOO BIG?!?!?!?!?!!11111" ok. This is "1girl, plump." This is the minimum size Aurora is capable of going for fat girls. Everything you've posted is this big or bigger.
>>4641 seconding this, does anyone have a reup?
anyone tried merging anythingv5 with the bbw step model? i ain't exactly got the resources for it ever since collab died
bbw_Aurora Borealis Where can I find the model?
>>5931 https://huggingface.co/mariaWitch/ExperimentalBiggerMerges/tree/main
>>5779 remove 'plump' if you want smaller, try 'chubby' or 'bbw'?
>>6003 straight bussin
>>5738 Use LyCORIS Swallowing Whole. Looks like it got booted off Civitai. Here, let me catbox it. It's a LyCORIS so you need the LyCORIS extension and put it into the LyCORIS folder. https://files.catbox.moe/dc6x0x.zip "swallowing whole" or "big belly" are some triggering tags. You can get the full list with the Civitai extension. Check this image out for an example: https://civitai.com/images/723471 It does make the image overly red, so I'd use it at a 0.3 or 0.4 and then do a couple lower denoises without the tags in the prompt.
>>6016 >booted off civitai why are they like this
>>6016 >and then do a couple lower denoises without the tags in the prompt. wait, what do you mean by this?
>>6058 Exactly as it sound. Run img2img without the LyCORIS in the prompt at like a 0.4 or 0.5 two or three times. Helps remove the exaggeration.
>>6068 And that doesn't fuck it up? I always thought that would be like upscaling a jpg. also that file isn't showing up in the Civitai helper, Would it be possible for you to upload your .info file too?
Is there a link for a google colab ?
>>6078 Just mount your drive and transfer it into the LoRa folder
>>6073 The file is here: https://files.catbox.moe/dc6x0x.zip Doesn't fuck it up. As long as you don't overbake it. That means running a prompt for "cute girl" and then running a low denoise and high CFG for "dinosaur". When you overbake it, it looks over saturated and high contrast
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>>5779 >This is the minimum size Aurora is capable of going for fat girls Dunning Kruger at its finest. Learn how tags work and you'll be able to get what you want. This is with just [[plump]] and some prompts for the background
>>2646 Is there a list of artists people use for their generations? Particularly with the Aurora model?
>>5779 This is literally a skill issue. Prompt better. Aurora is able to get very specific, the more specific you are in what you want, the more likely it is you get what you want
>>6210 I don't even use artist names when I gen with the Aurora model, good old prompting gets there for me. If I was to want an artist style, I would use an artist LoRA
So what's everyone's opinion on Biggergirls v5? https://civitai.com/models/2664?modelVersionId=85646 Able to hold a candle to the GOAT aurora yet in your opinion?
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>>9024 These aren't even AI generated, wrong board
>>8953 Not nearly as good as GAME and Aurora, for vtuber content and anime stuff, they are still way better. I've been using rainbbw lately as well, top notch for fat girls and plays well with most size related loras
>>6210 would this be the aurora model by Luna on civitai?
>>9861 No. The "Aurora" model people talk about here refers to the Aurora Borealis model here: >>5948 >>8953 BG5 while good, still has significant issues that prevent it from still being anything more than a concept model. (This isn't a bad thing though! Not every model needs to be good at genning, some may exist just to be merged.)
>>9105 Have you got a link to RainBBW? And GAME if you don't mind, can't seem to find either of those two
>>9979 Check in the thread man. >>5948 And honestly I would stay away from plain jane fats models. Aurora Borealis and GAME are your best bet.
>>9901 Out of curiosity, what are the 'significant issues' that you're talking about that don't appear in the Aurora model? I'm not really sure what you mean by it being a concept model versus it not being a concept model; is there something specific you're talking about? I've also had a few issues with generating things with it, but I don't know that this isn't a personal prompting issue versus a flaw in the model.
>>10381 BG5 from the very nature of how it was finetuned has subpar backgrounds and texture details. GAME, and ESPECIALLY Aurora Borealis have much better texture, versatility, and backgrounds such that there really isn't any reason to use BG5, when Aurora does fats and outputs a better looking image.
>>10406 as someone who is looking to get a better idea of how to train a lora/model, what do you mean by how it was finetuned? Is there a better method out there? Not disagreeing about other models, I'm curious about the best way to do it as someone looking to get into it.
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Alright, big brain question time. What is the best *non*-fat model in your guys opinion? Was testing out the meinamix model and was amazed by how well it could do fat when using loras, pics related. These were all on the first gen too. Made me wonder if using fatty models was the inferior method as opposed to using good models with fatty loras. Discuss?
>>9979 I think this is GAME he's talking about https://huggingface.co/mariaWitch/ExperimentalBiggerMerges/tree/main
anything in the works for sdxl yet?
is there an adjectivenouncombo lora? if not are there any good tutorials for training loras without a booru?
>>10831 I like ReVAnimated. I usually don't use the BBW specific models since they're all anime based and seem kinda limited to that style. ReVAnimated can do anime but is pretty good at other styles too, I just use LORAs to make them fatter from a non fat base model.
>>13282 I have had great success just appending (plump,flat_chest:1.4) to my prompts. Granted you can probably drop the flat_chest as that's a more specific kink of mine. My favorite model at the moment is Aniverse but I've had good success with Dreamshaper, Starlike, and epicRealism. You can see all my stuff on Civitai - prompts included https://civitai.com/user/fulforget85886/images
>>2646 Anyone got the better with salt lora? link to the folder is broken.
>>12316 I am working on a LoRA or a checkpoint, but I need a better dataset. I wish there were some archive enthusiasts who have a diverse collection that they shared on mega. I have found that I can get good SDXL results using the techniques outlined in the DALL-E 3 threads, but outside of that "morbidly obese" translates to "mid-sized". 30k images with diverse women/clothes(or naked)/backgrounds should get me there.
>>2646 Anyone have a fixed link for the artist loras? I'd kill for that pewbutt model
What model is everyone using right now? Took a break for a few months and am behind what's new. I was previously using GAME and bbw_hll4b2.
>>17918 I typically use a non-fat 1.5-based model with SyMix. My favorites are revAnimated, CaramelApple, dreamshaper and MeinaHentai
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>>17918 I use the obese girl concept lora and then just run my prompt through the 15 checkpoints I have until I get something I like.. Picrel is with aingdiffusion, but I usually get good results with sardonyxRedux or cartunafied. MixTapeBlues and Aniverse give good and consistent chubby gens but anything fatter doesnt work well.
>>17918 Last time I was experimenting with gens I was using models and loras based off of SD1.5. I'm seeing a lot of discussion about PonyXL and other models, but there aren't as many lots for that one. What are people using most commonly now? I went through Barclay's super helpful guide, but since it was written a while ago and I've fallen behind I imagine there are newer and better tools.
>>24902 I recently made the big switch from SD 1.5 to PonyXL. Two things made that possible: the slow but steady conversion of many popular charecters to Pony-compatible Loras, and Symix being forked to work on Pony as well. This made all the difference and finally got me to switch. But yes, it's amazing that in a little over a year, that guide I wrote is basically completely out of date. I should do another one with all the latest stuff.
>>24904 Thanks Barclay. Your guide helped me get up and running initially, and I still find the concepts helpful. I've never used Symix so might switch to PonyXL and dabble. Looking to gen more photorealistic images than not.
>>24905 I'm also hesitant on switching to Pony as still it lacks behind regarding fat photorealism vs. many custom SD 1.5 merges and LoRas. But, already semi-realistic gens look pretty impressive plus more and more LoRas are available for Pony, so it may be a matter of short time... Let's also see in a matter of week(s) how things will be once SD 3.0 is released.
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Not sure if this fits the thread perfectly, but I've been working on a LoRa for SDXL (and PonyXL) base models. Basically, you download this lora thing and throw it in the lora folder within models folder. Then you load up whatever base model you prefer and throw this one in the prompt along with a trigger tag of choice. You can download it here: https://civitai.com/models/550134/refat?modelVersionId=612108 Feel free to give whatever feedback on it, I'll try to build on that later

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