Whatever happened to her?

Long story short, some jackass doxxed her on YouTube and robbed us of a potentially amazing gain, not to say the gain we got wasn’t great already.

I’m still upset milkmerz doxxed her, like yea she was really bad at keeping her identity hidden, hell I even matched with her on tinder, but most ppl who found out her ID kept it to themselves and respected her privacy. I was even actively trying to figure out who she was but found her in my local feabie shit. She would’ve been so huge by now bruh

>>171262 That Mofos channel got deleted a long while ago too. Glad that boxos of the platform

https://mega.nz/folder/v09QDBiY#JZdqJY-j3qt2Sq9CfTjTSQ/folder/y8NWABTI the mega still isn't down somehow, so here it is. still looking for her valentines vid right before she got doxxed, but that shit's probably lost to time

>>171270 what's surprising is that he stayed gone. dipshits like him usually lay low for a bit before reuploading under a new name, but i haven't even seen the vid since 2021. good riddance

>>171272 would it happen to be this one? https://gofile.io/d/G6V5be

>>171277 not quite, but close. the one i was looking for was a stuffing from 2021, this one's a try on from 2020. but this is the first time i've seen it since 2020, so thanks for the share!

>>171272 I made this mega amazing its still up

>>171272 This https://www.youjizz.com/videos/embed/64676832 ?

>>171287 I’m gonna delete this just because this POS doesn’t deserve a single crumb of attention

>>171287 Mental illness on full display.

>>171290 pretty sure this is it, holy shit. thanks for the share benevolent anon, i'm backing this up immediately

>>171292 no clue what this was, but i'm probably better off not knowing. best to let old drama die

>>171262 God, I miss her. My all-time fav. I like to see what she looks like now so much.

https://mega.nz/folder/wnVwEDpR#gbgfOtHSXOGMN8BYyC0nLQ a different mega

Actually did a super deep dive and found her active socials a year or so ago. Unfortunately the rumors were true she has lost it all but she also seems very happy

>>171331 That's not surprising tbh. What happened to her probably ruined the whole fetish for her. Happy to hear that's she's doing well

I'm out of the loop, what happened to her? Wasn't aware she left.

>>171262 I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he’s got a new channel and he’s made Candi Kayn his newest target. He goes by “Silkevia” now.

>>171344 annoying but not too surprising. it's an easy harassment report at least

Anyone got the car stuffing where she's wearing a blue hoodie and leggings. From 2021 when she was pretty big.

>>171331 L but not surprising. The content was getting basic tbh

>>171262 Ignoring the part where you found private info aside, it's little funny since he did pretty the same thing for every other model he made videos (even candii and her husband supposedly loved it so much that requested a sequel vid at the time)

Just went to his YouTube channel and he’s borderline harassing Candii kayn and misinterpreting shit she says on live

>>171379 Report him and be done with it

https://bbw-chan.link/bbw/res/171248.html#q171353 It’s online: https://thisvid.com/playlist/443311/video/chubby-girl-car-stuffing-part-1/

well I posted that like a retard, but that’s the car stuffing in the blue hoodie and leggings

>>171383 Youtube and taking reports seriously do not go hand in hand

>>171399 If enough people do it it’ll probably get taken down automatically

>>171403 Also when you report him leave a short note about how they are trying to do harm outside of the internet in furtherance of their harassment campaigns.

>>171379 Wow... this guy is something else, he has a whole channel devoted to harassing creators and the attacking the community in general. The amount of time he's committed to this is insane.

I'm fairly sure doxxerz has had his channel terminated before and just starts a new one every time

>>171411 this guy got his channel removed a few years back, stopped and thought about his terrible life for a moment, then decided 'no, it's the bbw's fault'

Anyone mind sharing a couple vids of her at her largest?

>>171353 just gofiled the thisvid posted earlier, plus the post stuffing. props to him for finding it in the first place https://gofile.io/d/K0iqRG

>>171423 Ye he deleted his channel a while back. It's strange how he just turned hateful lmao

the gain comp video on SB is one of the GOATs imo. incredible work. i subbed to her patreon for a while and it got really repetitive after a while, but still one of my favourites

>>171424 check the second mega for 2021 vids, whoever uploaded it helpfully dated everything. lmbb never declined at all during her gain, so later = bigger

Thanks gamers. Was hoping someone had the last 10 minutes of that car stuffing. Gotta love when people hold the good behind a subscription barrier.

I remember, about a week or so before the Milkmerz drama kicked up, she released a video where she was so big that she looked pregnant. I'll try to find it...

>>171609 FWIW, I've talked to a few of her former patrons (or, at least, people who claimed to have been former patrons of hers) and a few of them told me that it was "possible" that she was, in fact, pregnant at that point. Make of that what you will.

>>171713 Baloney. Followed from beginning on YT through Patreon. In her last couple months she was getting increased complaints from patrons about the quality of her content, and questions about her gaining future. This irritated her and she then made a statement that after publicly gaining 100lbs she was quite satisfied with her appearance and wouldn't forecast the future. Then she made a change to her tiers which was poorly received and further alienated many of her patrons. She was likely to take a hiatus at this point, but this was followed shortly by the infamous milkmerz vid. She understandably had had enough - made a couple farewell vids and that was it.

>>171609 >>171713 This is the video where she looked preggo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b1MlpKzi0I

does anyone happen to have the one car stuffing vid where she farts? i think it might be this one but obviously i have no way to tell since it's a private vid: https://thisvid.com/videos/rare-lmbb-care-vid/

>>171729 I mean, the only part of that video in which looks "preggo" is at the very end. In the rest of it, she just looks, well, fat and bloated. Why people look at size of her belly there and automatically assume that she was expecting is beyond me.

>>171713 Of course it's "possible," in the same way that it's possible that we'll all wake up tomorrow and the sun will be gone. Possible doesn't equal probable.

Given that there’s a bunch of guys on here who reckon to know her socials, can tell us that she’s lost the weight, yet make no mention to her having a 3yrs+ kid would suggest that was indeed bullshit as everyone kept saying at the time.

>>171717 >>171840 In her last two farewell vids filmed together, she also mentions her encountering digestive issues that had her changing her diet. Belly still big, but no bigger. Talk of pregnancy is rubbish

Feel free to take it from me as some anonymous loser on the internet, she was never and has never been pregnant. She just got fat af.

>>171919 Mu thoughts exactly

>>171840 >>171858 >>171919 Exactly. As I said on another thread, the notion that she was pregnant was made up by some degenerate gooner and amplified by Milkmerz's screwball buddies. It's not to be taken seriously and it's a shame that many do.

>>171938 People unfortunately don't know the difference between fat and pregnant bellies. Somehow lol

https://youtu.be/26Zz8bw4mIo?si=bmhlDIV8cyOZ7zmY anyone have this in normal colors instead of black and white?

>>172245 That clearly isn’t her, retard

>>172249 Well many accounts on thisvid and spankbang have this exact video with lmbb in the title so I thought it was. Also, if you think somebody's a retard because they can't identify a pornstar you have some serious issues

>>172245 Does anyone know who she is? She's really hot.

>>172357 I've been searching bro but I can't find her lmk if you do

Anyone got any vids of her popping buttons

>>171353 What do yall think she was weighing at the end in February/March of 2021?

I think like 210 maybe

>>172816 She made a comment about gaining 100 lbs previously so from knowing her starting weight, I believe 210 is likely very close

>>172816 saw this edit of her, maybe she would've looked like this if she continued to grow

>>172748 I don't remember exactly, but I think she was around 235 (maybe 240?) at her biggest. She blew up like a balloon in those last few months and was looking massive compared to what she was even six months before. And, if I recall correctly, she said that she had gained about thirty pounds in the previous four months alone.

I tend to agree with the 230 possibly 240. I believe she crossed 200 in the summer of 2020. Comparing her summer 2020 bikini videos to her December 2021 bikini videos, she looks twenty pounds heavier. Fast forward to January and February 2021 she looks even fatter.

Does anyone have anything from her YouTube days at the very beginning? I remember a video of her busting the clasps on a pair of gray pants I’d love to watch it again!

Anyone have a couple vids of her at heaviest?

>>172839 >>172868 220 at most. remember she was a little under 5'3"

>>172748 >>172816 >>172831 >>172839 >>172868 >>172934 I honestly have a hard time believing she ever even made it past 200. Because she was indeed quite short (5’2” - 5’3”) and she definitely got quite chubby at her peak, but she wasn’t exactly fat. 220 - 240 is what a grown man of average height with a beer gut would weigh.

Imma need to see a vid of her at her heaviest for research purposes

>>173262 Before leaving, she changed her diet in her last month due to some digestive issues, These from a month before are likely her heaviest. Don't just focus on the belly. Those thighs, among other areas, are very meaty too https://gofile.io/d/npD8zL

Damn, I’d never seen that first vid. She really got *dense* there at the end.

>>173273 I’ve seen those three vids multiple times,and really only paid attention to the belly. But now that you say it, her thighs were fucking huge at during her peak weight. Perfectly built,imo.

>>173273 Man, her belly looks HUGE in that red dress video. My goodness.

>>173303 her outfit in that last vid is from a really early one from 2019. the contrast is fucking wild

>>173303 The G.O.A.T. for chubby perfection. So sad others ruined it for her and us

Here's a good pic courtesy of the guys at Curvage. This should also be the "final nail in the coffin" for the pregnancy rumors.

>>173351 The goat? Naw. There was definitely better out there

>>173437 You are entitled to your opinion. So who are your nominees by name and we'll see how the community feels about them? CGV, CollegeGirlBrooke, Azismiss (her wanting to be a guy diminishes the feeling now) were three of my early favorites, besides LMBB who's at the top.

>>173453 Stuffed Princess is my all-time number one, LMBB is definitely top 3 as well. LittleCurvyDevil is another one who’s top tier.

>>173437 she gets my vote for the GOAT but i like em more more sized than a lot of you guys.

>>173453 Personally I don't really have a tier list of people I like but out of everyone that has left CGV is my absolute funny. Especially when she reached 250

>>173498 Yeah, StuffedP was top tier, but fuck did she hate any comparison to LMBB which often was expressed to her. She didn't like any model comparison, but LMBB really set her off. Along with LMBB, Wonder what both are doing these days

>>171353 Hey mate, noticed the video that was gofile'd in response was not the full length one 21 minute one. Here it is: https://gofile.io/d/2J8y51

>>173382 Probably not, considering that she's much bigger (especially in the belly area) on the right than the left.

>>173520 StuffedPrincess lost weight and focused on college as far as I know However I still wonder if anyone has all of her of videos, we have quite some, but I think there were way more

Does anyone know why she was putting on so much weight at the end?

>>171713 What, exactly, is it that you said to these individuals who may or may not have been her patrons that would have led them to tell you that it was "possible" that LMBB may have been pregnant?

Lmbb my goat for sure no question. She had the most aesthetic perfect attractive round tummy when she stuffed herself past her precious limit every day. And nice burps too. What was in this link any chance for re-up?

Secret LMBBB videos--- CLick here---https://gofile.io/d/J1Uz8J

Does anyone have this full video? I’ve never seen it.

>>171958 The thing with LMBB, though, is that there were times, especially in early 21', where she was so big that she legitimately looked pregnant. Combine that with her growing appetite and a few other things, it's not difficult to understand why people thought she was, well, pregnant. There was *a lot* that pointed in that direction at the time.

>>175579 >"There was a alot" And it's just people not knowing the difference between a fat round stomach and pregnant one

Didn’t she also say that she had a gluten allergy. That prolly contributed quite a bit to her looking so round and bloated towards the end

Anyone got any rare videos or pictures of LMBB

>>175593 How would a gluten allergy lead to her "looking so round and bloated"?

>>175596 "bloated"

>>175596 I think it literally like makes you more bloated when you eat it. I could be wrong

Her burps are awesome

>>175670 Yeah I was right. Like towards the end of her gain I think the gluten made her look even bigger and is why she was always soo gassy.

>>175667 Wish there was more burp compilations of hers. her burps sounded top tier

>>175672 she mentioned being full but not really full often, which fits with constant bloating from gluten

>>175674 Yeah exactly honestly the gluten intolerance I think made her look even more sexy bc it made her belly huge and prolly also contributed to the amount of burps she had

>>175673 Me too her burps sounded so good and they she always had a so many in her videos.

>>175674 Also her stomach always looked so firm and tight which I’d say was from the gluten. Like yes she ate a lot but I think the gluten did more to make her look huge

>>175674 >>175682 Exactly. And you also have to remember the sheer amount of food that she was stuffing herself with and that she was stuffing herself on a near constant basis. Combine those two things with her gluten intolerance and weight gain and it's not really surprising that she was starting to look pregnant.

>>175703 Yeah exactly. She looked “pregnant” bc of the gluten not bc she actually was. Honestly I’m sure she was literally bloated all the time and had a belly ache all the time. Just from the amount of food and from the gluten. Also all the burps she had in the videos was definitely from gluten which honestly makes her even more sexy I think lol

>>175718 Say gluten one more time

>>175720 G l u t e n

>>175720 One of her best pictures

>>175724 She did have some amazing photos especially when she got fatter and bloated

>>175782 yeah her belly just looks like a round bloated ball

Jesus Christ she’s hot. Imagine that belly bouncing everywhere during sex

>>175792 Belly bouncing and burping

>>175785 her proportions are the best, fat went into the best places and more

>>175795 Imagine being able to play with that gut

>>175795 Agree. The G.O.A.T imo. Cute enough, but not a classic beauty, but just something about the whole package she presented. She added those 100 lbs in the best way possible.

And that ass too. Great shape. She was the greatest G.O.A.T. of all time

>>175807 definitely curvier as time passed

>>175807 Her burps were also god tear. Her belly used to always make such great gurgles before she let one out. I wish someone made a huge burp compilation

>>175795 her belly and ass were fighting for the spotlight when she was heavier lmao

>>175855 God that picture is so fucking sexy. She was literally huge

God her ass was so great too. Would love to have her in doggy and then feel the weight of her full and bloated belly in my hands

>>175812 when she wasn't full you could tell her weight would weigh you down, but add all that food into her belly and she must've felt SUPER heavy if she was on top of somebody whilst full.

>>175903 That’s picture is so hot. Just her lower belly and belly button poking out under the shirt with all that fucking food

>>175903 got the video to go with that? I saw every video of hers but it was a long time ago and can't remember what that one is from.

>>175903 seeing all that food and how bloated she was all the time i wonder how many calories she consumed everyday

Does anyone have that stuffing of hers where she’s in a blue crop top sitting on her bedroom floor.

https://bbw-chan.link/bbw/res/171248.html#q175930 Especially considering she was a vegetarian for at least part of her gain. That’s so many calories to eat without meat. LMBB was amazing, glad she’s still appreciated. Legit one of the few internet feedees I actively hope is happy and doing well.

>>176019 godly stuffings, godly distribution, cute personality and was legitimately nice to listen to in her chats. add in how she was forced out of the scene rather than fucking something up herself, and it's no surprise everyone's fond of her

>>176040 agreed and she genuinely loved getting fat. definitely goat territory

>>176058 One of the best in the area with an incredible gain. I wish she had never left

>>176058 Her belly button was perfect too especially when she was really bloated

some old pics i found

>>176209 wonder what the measurements of her belly was at her largest

>>176214 We should just all post our pictures of her bc I haven’t seen these pics in years

Man it's a shame she left the wg feedee scene cause of the ones that doxxed her tho She would've been a very happy fatty & ssbbw wifey to someone too

>>176219 Ssbbw is a stretch

I never thought anyone would replace chubbygirlvideos as my all time favorite gainer but then came LMBB. We will never see her like again.

>>176257 something about her was just different, and idk what. was it the bod, or her enthusiasm, or maybe her explosive growth? lmbb just hit different man, and I haven't seen anything like it since

>>176276 So agree. Can't put a finger on it either, but something was there that has me going back to my lmbb archive over and over again, over 3 years after she left. May those that ruined it for her and us rot in hell

Does anyone know if she’s kept the weight off completely? I know she lost almost all of it as soon as we lost her

She’s still thin

>>176285 For me it’s because of how unbelievably bloated she would get but she still had a great feminine shape. Her belly had the perfect softness and roundness but was still tight. And she wasn’t afraid to burp and talk about how much of a fat pig she was

>>176319 The bloating and the burps were it for me. Whenever she ate anything she just got so fucking bloated.

What I wonder is what her friends and family thought about her weight gain. It must have been shocking to see her go from the peak of physical fitness to seriously overweight and with an increasingly large belly.

>>176257 At least we got Blondiee, she might surpass LMBB

>>176650 She's the closest thing to LMBB and she's already doing phenomenal

>>176731 How the hell is she doing phenomenal? Hasn‘t gained a single pound in a year. Doesn‘t have the same amazing fat distribution as LMBB either.

>>176764 The autism levels in you must be spiking because blondiee gained 100 pounds in 1 whole year

>>176772 Have you seen her before/beginning pics? Whether she has been gaining a month, a year, two years, what the fuck difference does it make? She started with like a 24 inch waist and it is obvious in her pics from then. She's 215 now and that is obvious too. You are the one clueless, and a moron to find it necessary to come on the lmbb thread and contribute your dribble

>>176774 *drivel

Blondiee is the greatest we have now. The greatest of her time and will end up being one of the greatest of all times. What made LMBB special was she was the last of the non commercial gainers. Started on YouTube, made plenty of content for free just because she enjoyed it prior to making her patreon. Now she was racking in the subscription money towards the end but her style was still that of the early YouTube gainers. Watching her was just watching a regular girl get fat in college. Now everyone is commercialized, on curvage and all the other sites, plenty of role playing. I don’t blame any one for making money and I buy a lot, but it’s just a tad different from the LMBB and chubbygirlvideos days.

>>176774 Here’s a current pic from her OF. If you think that‘s what 215 pounds look like I don‘t know what to tell you. That isn’t even close to 200. I wasn‘t the one who first brought up blondiee here either. I was just disagreeing about her doing „phenomenal“. She certainly isn’t bad, she’s just not great. She’s a B or C tier gainer who can potentially get up to A if she ever reaches her 300+ goal. Honestly, the best we might have at the moment is probably Candii or GGG, which really just goes to show that these are desperate, desperate times. Late 2020/early 2021 we had a few months were both LMBB and StuffedPrincess were at their fattest. Sometimes you really don‘t know how good you have it until it‘s over.

>>176781 Bro you're absolutely retarded, heres her comparison pic she posted, first pic at 120, next pic from her latest live stream. The other pics are from her OF exclusive vid which was just uploaded last week. She's massive, and I think shes going to surpass 300 easily. It just sucks that she's terrible at taking flattering pics of her body lol, she doesn't show how truly big she is for long during vids either.

>>176791 This is what you call massive? 😂 Clearly you have no idea what 215 pounds look like on a 5‘7“ girl. Conveniently, m-ary is the same height and has a somewhat similar fat distribution (bigger thighs, smaller tits and belly). You might want to use this pic for reference. Don‘t believe anything online feedee models tell you cause many of them lie about their weight. I‘m willing to give blondiee.18 maybe 180 pounds, if I‘m being generous.

>>176793 Bro these are two genetically different women. Again proving how fucking retarded you are

>>176795 Dude, she‘s not going to fuck you. This is an example of what 210 actually looks like on a girl with otherwise similar stats as blondiee and fact is blondiee‘s nowhere near as big even though she tricked you into believing she‘s 215.

>>176795 Genetics has nothing to do with it. 215 is 215 and theyre around the same height. Stop being a fucking retard and face facts

>>176807 Here, read something other than weight gain fanfics you stupid retards https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/why-people-become-overweight

>>176814 First off you got me fucked up if you think readin allat. Second, i bet you didnt read shit from that link you posted. Third, from the little i read the forum explains how each of the 300 genes affects weight gain. That doesnt explain how she doesnt look 215 fuck face. If anything if she wete taller it would be matter of fat distribution but she even that tall. So stfu genderless faggot

>>171262 Fuck Milkmerz.

>>171262 Yeah, just imagine. She left us at around 215 or so, and it has been over 3 years now. She loved to stuff so much, and if she had kept going she could easily be over 300 by now. I was so enthralled with her gain. An imaginary vision of her at 300+ is something I find myself fantasizing over at times. Rot in hell milkmerz

>>176636 Let me put it this way: Her fans probably weren't the only ones who thought she may have been expecting.

>>177709 I don't know if she would have been able to hit 300 pounds, though. She seemed like she had a really fast metabolism and, even with her growing appetite, she would have had to consume ungodly amounts of food to even get past to even get within 30 pounds of 300. As big as she was, she probably would not have been able to get much bigger.

>>177709 >>177990 You're probably right - anything approaching 300 was unlikely, but still remains a vision in my mind. The GOAT forever, imo

>>178015 Definitely the GOAT. If there was a Hall of Fame for this shit, she'd be first-ballot.

>>177990 Wonder if her stretchmarks would've gotten even more noticeable seeing how different parts of her body were expanding alot more

>>176214 I'd say her waistline was somewhere between 40 and 45 inches at her peak. In the last video before the doxxing, she looked as big as Helena from C4S back in the day. Just huge.

>>177709 What was milkmen’s point on doxxing her? Did she not give him a custom vid or something?

>>180005 He just seems to hate feedees for some reason Dude is unhinged

>>180007 Yeah he's fucking crazy.

>>180005 He was doing a "before they were famous" videos but for fetish models, Ironically no one else had a problem with it but lmbb. Which is funny cause Candii loved the video done for her that she apparently requested another

>>180447 what the fuck are you talking about? !!! he revealed her real name with face to her family and friends. you'd be okay with that, moron?

>>180447 nah, his vids were creepy as fuck. funny you bring up candii though, since his new channel is literally nothing but stalking her

>>180447 You should kill yourself

>>180449 Buddy malding over porn.

>>180464 Nah, they were tame till he shown lmbb tiktok and etc. Idk why he hates candii now, straight random

Hello all! Since I was young during LMBB years (as I read) I would love to know her story. Why she is so famous? When she posted pics?. Im really curious about her story. Im more of the GGG and Candii generation, but I rememeber how I was using my first phone (trash one tbh) trying to see the pics of Katie and this girl that later I knew that it was LMBB.

Does anyone have a copy of the milkmerz video

>>180617 just basically a young, petite blonde with a soft voice. never full facial reveal or nudity. She'd give you just enough for many to surmise she would be considered cute. began in 2018 as a free regular feedee content creator on youtube when yt was a place for such things. later moved to paying subs on patreon in 2019, was like 115 lbs when she began and became quite popular. gained around 100 lbs on her small frame and looked quite good doing it in the eyes of many, including myself. some give her top five or g.o.a.t. status. with popularity, came the complainers and malcontents who expressed their criticism of her content (some was valid, imo). two things happened near simultaneously in early 2021 - a tier content pricing change that was badly received and upset her, and this yt retard dude milkmerz that singled her out with multiple disparaging yt vids. in his last vid on her, he doxxed her with real name, face reveal, and other personal info. she had enough at this point and announced her leaving the community. she actually still made a couple final vids before vanishing. this is her story as best as I remember, perhaps not 100%, and I believe she said in her finals it was a hiatus, but she never returned

>>180623 It got scrubbed a real long time ago. It's basically Lost Media at this point.

>>180624 Excellent summary. I'd add one thing though: As badly as people treated her at the end, she wasn't exactly an angel herself. As I said some time ago: It seemed like the heavier she got, the more of an attitude she had and the more of a jerk she became. When she was at her heaviest, she was just acting like an out-and-out brat. (IIRC, two weeks before she got doxxed, she was talking metric-tons of shit about GGG and a few other models.) I mean, I get the fandom that has grown up around her since she retired, but people are definitely remembering her through rose-tinted glasses.

Thanks for the summary friend

>>180701 That's just how it when you're talking with die hard fans. One thing too, her content was kinda lazy towards the end since she was just selling unlisted yt vids

>>171248 is there any rare videos or photos that was forgotten by time?

She was so amazing. Thanks for that picture, I’ve never seen it. What a perfect belly

>>180624 Hey! Since it's the first time I can read this post since the time I asked, I want to thank u so much. Finally I remember and understand who was she at the time. I remember she was the first fit girl to become a fatty. https://spankbang.com/8w9ak/video/lmbb+gain+comp here is a comp I find. Now I remember that because of her I love watching the typical popular girl becoming a chubby one haha

>>182417 She was great, but I wouldn't say the first fit to fat gal to be popular. A couple notable ones that pre-date lmbb were Azismiss and Chubby Girl Videos (CGV). Azismiss was/is a strange head of a girl (or is it guy?) that needs no further mention, but CGV was top tier. A petite brunette this time who got up to the 260 lb range. Produced a large amount of content over several years. I imagine much is still available. Unfortunately got doxxed too and abruptly gone forever.

>>182300 such a hot picture

>>182426 I'm sorry, I wanted to write "the first fit to fat I saw"