>>42945 my thout is think babalon an thers money now kinda and they trading but guy (me) chad has fat fetish and he makes rich then his son inherits his rich and the ways to make it and gets richer and buys all the fats and starch and HONEY so he makes first granola type bars but uses it to make his 900 pound mom to be 2000 pounds!!! and his wife even FATTER and pases to his son with the rich and the secrets andnew wife STARTS at 2000 pounds and get to 5000 POUNDS

>>42875 >>42945 On the question of hierarchy, I would say that was the key. If you look at the statues of reclining fat women from Malta for instance, they were found in religious contexts - a caste of fat priestesses? In the past beauty standards were typically set by the aristocracy, it's a relatively recent phenomenon to see the lower classes exerting influence on beauty standards (which the modern aristocracy don't follow but that's a digression), if we assume that obesity was a desirable trait, or if it was associated with a particular station in society then it would have been something generally only available to those of a higher rank.

>>42875 If I can find I I'll post. I read something about a Muslim cult. The women ate animal fat rolled in bread and swallowed it with water or beer or somethin. Sounded hot as fukk. You just know there was some fat fukkin woman back before the collapse of the bronze age. It probably wasn't fetish either. It be like a great honor to become so obese youre a literal goddess. Imagine the transformation of middle eastern women from slightly chubby (which they seem to be predisposed to) into a belly wobbling ass jiggling tit sagging stretchmarked Nahif.

>>43073 You might be thinking of gavage which is apparently still practiced Mauritania.

Gotta give you credit for fapping to historic fanfics tho, not many are so addicted to fat that they have to make prehistoric shit up for an orgasm.

>>43073 https://journals.openedition.org/anisl/3059?lang=ar I think this is the article Couple of retards above don't know history very well

>>43138 Thanks for posting this. It’s the same retard, one with anger issues and a shit fetish so take his criticism for what it’s worth. There’s plenty of evidence of force-fattening of women in North Africa going back centuries, some of it posted earlier in this thread.

>>43149 > It’s the same retard, one with anger issues and a shit fetish Which one is that? Is it the Kisame everyone seems to be talking about?

>>43150 Spanish flags and no self-identification or nonsensical references to politics or eastern Queens/Long Island, so, no, not him.

>>43150 No, Kisame is the one who goes off topic to mention random bits of his life and politics . Shit guy is the guy who goes off topic to mention shit.

>>43150 >>43163 >>43164 I don't know what you mean. I am the real Slim Shady Kisame and I took a nap after coming home from church.

>>43150 >>43163 >>43164 Don't tell me you created a DJ Khaled Arab Kisame? Just look at how Ron crashed and burn cause he won't stop with chan culture

>>43164 There are a lot of people talking about shit on this website. It is a website about fat people after all. Some of it’s pretty on topic and well measured, some people are immature and think dookie is funny, some people do get hard to the idea of human excrement

still best thread

>>43585 That theory has been sorely tested of late. Here's my favorite object in the Metropolitan Museum of Art: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/255417

>>43599 Kisami here: These figurines remind me of the artwork by that mentally ill individual who scupted a disturbing, headless effigy of boberry out of a blob of hardened animal fard.

Goldmine thread

>>45172 My favorite bbwchan thread was that psychopath who made an effigy of boberry out of hardened lard and wax. Like some perverted Helga Pataki of Willendorf fetish doll.

Actual stone carvings from the cave of La Marche, Actual paleolithic depictions of obese people. Look at the double chin. We are Retvrning Guys, they were 100% fat fetishists. https://donsmaps.com/marche.html

>>45768 Our ancestors knew what mattered. They fed their women well so they could survive the ice age.

>>45768 "Fetish" in the original sense was "an inanimate object worshiped for its supposed magical powers or because it is considered to be inhabited by a spirit." The was adapted for the modern psychological definition. As discussed way earlier in this thread, the idea of Willendorf and other fat lady figurines as "goddesses" has been questioned in recent years. They very well could have been Stone Age porn. My amateur theory is that they're a bit of both. I imagine where the food supply was erratic (if not necessarily scarce all the time), and much of the world wasn't well-understood, it makes sense they'd manifest an ideal of a well-fed woman as a wish for both prosperity and fertility. This in the same way modern faithful pray for health and prosperity for themselves and their families and communities. I don't think it's an accident that even today we see appreciation of fat women in cultures that are more economically insecure. Sexuality may very well have been tied into it as well, in a way most modern religions would see as perverse. Sex as a forbidden thing is a foundation of Abrahamic religions but they've only been dominant for a few thousand years, and for the bulk of that period in very specfiic areas. Meanwhile if you go to India there's a 4,000 year old temple where the entrance is decorated with vaginas. Bottom line, in dismissing the idea these are goddesses, we're still looking at them through our own modern, Western lens.

https://books.google.se/books?id=yTogAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA3&hl=sv&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false quite an interesting book on the subject

See some Indian traditional pieces Indian art by eightynineone on @DeviantArt https://www.deviationart.com/gallery

>>50325 Is this legit or just more AI art? This is about legit ancient BBW art, not modern art using an older style whether drawn or made with AI. Like no pieces by artists that draw in tradition Japanese/Chinese styles. No art drawn in medival styles. Unless the pieces are legitimately old and date from 50+ years ago, they shouldn't be posted here.

>>50325 Fuck off with you ai garbage

I would hardly believe that AI is capable of this. Can AI really make something like old South Asian cheap popular woodcut prints? Besides, wouldn't AI give much more details? For me, it looks like the most cheap rough South Asian popular prints, of course not modern ones, may be edited through some Photoshop-like filters to make them clearer, as happens when preparing some copied image to put it as illustration in some edition. But that’s not what I’m talking about, I am not an expert in South Asian crafts. I want to draw attention to material that is certainly authentic, 15,000 years ago, from the Magdalenian cave Marche, https://www.donsmaps.com/marche.html There, various drawings were scratched on the stone, unfortunately, usually one on top of the other (sometimes it meant two stages of events, or contact, or just variants of one images), but you can still often make out which contours belong to what. See the faces there (see link), they are really fantastic. And fat women were depicted systematically. Here I attach (in photos and drawings), one piece from there which contains definitely an image of a very fat woman sitting, and it is very likely that several contours were added to show her even fatter (on the second photo they are drawn in different colors: red, the main contour, green and blue - visible lines that seem to be additional contours making variants of the same female figure), and I add three drawings, one of them shows the main figure, and the other two show tentatively how she would look with these additional contours.

Oh, i see, the topic was already mentioned in https://bbw-chan.link/gen/res/4623.html#q45768 But the drawings I posted as additions to photo are new stuff, so I hope it was OK

As appendix, i add recently (in 2019) found Venus of Piatra Neamț, She is of just the same figure type and iconography as Venus of Willendorf, but she is even fatter. It was made thousands of years later than Venus of Willendorf by Epigravettians - direct descendants of Gravettian tribes who made Venus of Willendorf. These three related groups: Gravettians, с. 31 000 - 19 000 BCE, Epigravettians, c. 19000 - 8000 BCE amd Magdalenians, c. 15 000 - 9000 BCE (and their later descendants) are responsible for the great majority of ssbbw and bbw Stone Age images in Europe. Cf. la Marmtta Venus c. 4500 BCE (see next two images) and famous Malta Venuses. As for the Grotte de la Marché, its drawings are especially valuable in that they completely resolve the endless debate about whether the fat Venuses of the Stone Age were fantasized, unrealistically deformed and symbolic figures representing the ideas of ​​​​fertility, wealth and the mother goddess, or whether they convey the appearance of real women who were considered beautiful, or both. The drawings from the grotte de la Marche convey completely realistic everyday scenes, the faces and figures there are realistic and clearly not related to any myths, it is impossible to attach ritual significance to them. There is a scene where a young aroused man dances joyfully while his beloved awaits him in sexual pose (above of him on the drawing, https://www.donsmaps.com/images33/p1130774marche.jpg ), there are tens of faces of common people ( https://www.donsmaps.com/marche.html , in the middle of the article), there are two compositions where a plump daugher stands behind her fat sitting mother ( see last two attaches, they are different drawings). Even Gimbutas wouldnt have dare to say that they are fantastic symbolic transformations of human body with ritual aims. Thus, the corpulent Venuses, regardless of whether they also depicted a female deity, conveyed the appearance of real women who were considered beautiful. In fact, it is not surprising that this was the case during the eras in question, because it was a time of massive hunting of huge quantities of megafauna species. The males were engaged in this hunt, there was an incredible amount of food, and women generally did not need to move much or go far from the camps. The situation was different only while climatic deteriorations, when the quantity of animals was sharply smaller, and it was necessary to move from place to place in order to get enough of them. But for more than 20,000 years of Gravettian, Epigravettian and Magdalenian cultures , there were more than enough centuries and millennia when this did not happen. Gravettians>

>>50350 Great stuff, thanks for reviving this thread in a meaningful way.

Let me return to this topic on a new basis. Now here https://www.deviantart.com/eightynineone you can see galleries of texts and images contributed by online team to the owner of the page. It is like a club with materials on bbws and ssbbws in history, old arts and folklore, and with modern illustrations depicting historical bbws and ssbbws. I have studied this issue and can share my ideas, although it may be too long and boring. (1) Males' attraction to women is based narurally on preferences tied to the differences between women and women's bodies from men and men's bodies. These differences are a complex of three components: A) Having body parts that men do not have, or body shapes that are not expressed usually in men. That is, the female breasts, the womanhoodf, more roundness of the hips, greater roundness of the buttocks. B) Greater gracefulness and gracility, higher pitched voices, less physical strength, less muscle girth, softer hair, less body hair. Everything that gives the impression of more tenderness, fragility and softness. C) And, finally, a greater amount of normal fat layers necessary for healthy life, quite different ratio of fat-to-muscle in the medically normal body , and more roundness of the body, where men do not have it. (2). At the same time, human sexuality is generally characterized by a desire to enhance, strengthen and extrapolate qualities which are naturally attractive All three factors listed above can be synthesized in balance, and then the most preferred type is a Titian-Rubenesque woman, as has been the case for most of human history over the last three thousands years. By modern standards, this is bbw, but not on the verge of turning into sbbw. However, if some components of this complex are strengthened more than other ones, then shift in any direction can be obtained. If we increase gracility and fragility and a smaller volume of muscles (factor B), we will get a thin and slim woman. If, on the contrary, we increase the roundness and fat layers, that is, factor C, then we will get larger BBWs and SSBBWs. History shows that this tendency was naturally very widespread, and that it often begins to occupy a large or even dominant place in real preference spectrum and in culture, if living conditions allow it, or if this tendency is not suppressed artificially. Evolutionary mechanisms determine that male sexual preferences vary widely. This is optimal for survival and procreation because the more diverse men's sexual preferences are, the more different men will have lust for different women, and the more women will be involved in reproduction. This is simply human nature, determined by evolution. Therefore, in reality, naturally different men always show a wide range of sexual preferences from thin to ussbbw women, while an indefinite majority is naturally predisposed to prefer women with slight and average excess weight according to modern beliefs, but there are also admirers of thin women and admirers of very large women, and till we are on the ground of natural predispositions, there are even more of the latter than of the former ones. (3) And then cultural factors come into play. First of all, there is a great difference between repressive (restrictive) and hedonistic cultures. Hedonistic cultures, which are sympathetic and protective to human desire and lust, recognize the existence of different types of beauty preferences, and consider this fully normal. Of cource, one of this types may be considered the most popular, but this does not lead hedonistic cultures to stigmatize or condemn other preferences. Very characteristic in this sense is the Arab story frim 1001 Nights about a man from Yemen and six beautiful girls, where these girls vary in stature from thin with sharp knees to a huge obese one who is not able to reach her own womanhood. All these six types of females are recognized in text as extraordinary beauties, although one of them, somewhere in the middle (by our standards, she is bbw with folds on her sides and belly and with broad hips and buttocks), is stated as relatively the most popular. Nearly in the same way the Roman poet Martialus talks about three types of preferences - the preference of thin and the very thin girls, the preference of the largest girls up to the 1000 roman libra (730 lbs), and the preference of just curvy, full figured and fleshy women, which is his own preference. He calls those who share the second preference "pinguarii", which means fat lovers, while those who share the third preference are called "carnarii" which means meat or flesh lovers. From Pompeii paintings of women we well know what he meant, they are definitely bbws with broad and flabby hips and buttocks, but not of the heaviest bbw kind and not ssbbws. Martialus obviously favoritizes his own taste, but he well accepts and knows the fact, that other men have another tastes, and they are rather wide spread. Martialus jokes about these another tastes, but he doesn't condemn them and is not enraged by their existence. Repressive cultures, on the contrary, definitely enforce standardization. When faced with a real spectrum of preferences, they choose one of them, legitimize this one as a canon, and beginn to condemn, suppress, discredit and discriminate everything else. The western culture of the 20th century is one of the repressive cultures in the entire sphere of sexual preferences, and both thus culture and its modern continuation are trying to impose standardization (4) Further, some repressive cultures, in addition to standardization, also promote religions and ideologies hostile to sexualty, to the body and flesh, to the body pleasures and carnal desires. Such cultures naturally condemn fatness as a manifestation of pleasuring and spoiling one’s body, and, in addition, simply because there is more human flesh and it it exposed more in fat persons. Our modern culture is the heir of one of such body-unfriendly cultures and very much of modern approaches are reproduced by inertia from the past, even regardless of the influence of religion itself. (5). Further, the most important limiting or, conversely, encouraging factor is formed by living conditions and the neccessities dictated by them. The most common conceots of ​​beauty never includes things that are fully unattainable in real life under the living conditions of a given society. This means that if people are forced to live by constantly wandering and moving from place to place on foot, and to drag all their property with them on their hands and on their backs, then the type of very heavy women will not exist within their spectrum of widespread preferences, because such a woman cannot move with enough ease to walk around like that. It is only in narrow marges of the preferences spectrum where desire for very large women can survive in these circumstances. It will not be expressed in culture usually This is exactly how it was in many regions of the primeval world, although not in all ones, and this is exactly how it was in the African ancestral areal of humanity. Further, if all women are necessarily involved in long and laborious walking for the purpose of gathering, or in hard physical work to maintain the household, or simply in a constant high spending of calories, to maintain the household, then the type of very large obesity will also not be included into the inventory of wide-spread preferences, because such women simply will not exist in society, otherwise than a great exception. (6) Thus, the factors that can suppress the desire for great obesity throughout human history are as follows: - repressive standardization of preferences and of sexuality, - the dominance of ideology, hostile to body, lust, and bodily pleasures and satisfactions, - living conditions that require women to walk and move constantly and to expend large amounts of calories on activities necessary for survival. If all three of these factors do not operate, then human nature immediately begins to work freely and generates, among other types of preferences, the preference for very large women. The latter preference may even become the most popular, since the fatness refers to comfortable and carefree living conditions, to the absence of the hardships of physical labor and efforts, and to the abundance of pleasures from food. (7) As already mentioned, in the primeval homeland of mankind in Africa, the resources for hunting and gathering were such that people had to constantly move to acquire enough of them. In these conditions, the ideal of a curvaceous full bodied bbws, like the heavy modern South African girls participating in reed dances, dominated, but the preference for SSBBWs had no ground to develop most of the time. But later, in the mammoth steppes and adjacent areas, a completely unique situation arose, which persisted intermittently for about 30,000 years, from 40,00 to 10,000 years ago. There was a huge amount of so-called megafauna, that is, huge animals available for hunting to people of that time, much more than the fauna in their ancestral home in Africa. The human population was small, probably there were no more than 50,000 people throughout France and Spain, and there were enough recources for hunting for everyone, there was no need for continuous movement from place to place. Women in this situation did not need to move much while gathering, because the main products if foid were huge amounts of fatty meat, which was obtained by male hunters. The same hunters on the way back were often engaged in gathering, which could also be entrusted to older children and younger teenagers, as well as to able-bodied old people.

The culture was not repressive, it was hedonistic, it was favourable and positive towards food, sex and all bodily pleasures, and so it legitimized the most wide range of preferences (including, by the way, male and female bisrxualty and homosexuality; females identificating themselves as men and males identificating themselves as women were usually well known and quite normally accepted, see examples in Inuit culture, and many other far Northern primeval cultures). And this range was wide indeed, because among the figurines of this time there are figurines of women with thin bodies as well as figurines of hugely large ones, and figurines of averagely plump and larger, but still not huge women, too, that is, all these types of beauty and preferences were legitimized, it’s just that the greatest fatness seems be the most popular among them. As a result, it is during these times that the images of very obese women were produced, although in the same cultures there are also some images of thin and average women. E.g., a bunch of drawings from Cave Marche with commentary to them can be seen here https://www.deviantart.com/eightynineone/gallery/92456177/tribute-to-cave-marche It must be emphasized, is that there is not a single example of unrealistic image of fat woman of the time (as well as in Neolithic and Bronze Age). The fattest examples if Stone Ages are Venus of Willendorf, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339444366/figure/fig4/AS:861904226492417@1582505389371/The-Venus-of-Willendorf-46-is-a-small-11-cm-figurine-carved-from-ooelitic.ppm and Romanian Venus, https://bbw-chan.link/.media/8361890afc891e8aba50502897087749bef775fb9c85468b2d0ea088752c2429.jpg Both of them are not larger than real ussbbws (even not with records of weight), cf. Isabella Jazmin.from Argentina at 30 years and c. 780 lbs, https://thumbs.web.sapo.io/?W=910&H=0&delay_optim=1&webp=1&epic=YTAysSH+jc+bdtc3P5OBji0znSqIf/g5SYqR3nwCLw8eM6Dx5+XYSlENt8i94BFVeF4msI3c274gDcREcjTL6ShmkrbeLXSPWCA7Bx++hRNB1bc= This fact is another proof, that the Venus figurines represent the real women, and are not creation of imagination, stimulated by symbolic of fertility or any other kind. They just were deoicting large and largest women who could be seen in real life. Be it a work of imagination, it will immediately lead them to such images as https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/i/5ed24882-c5d2-4b31-aff8-1a61468350f6/d87df1y-c8de4cd8-894f-4f76-9e7c-4f3289e3d626.png/v1/fill/w_700,h_349/immobile_fantasy_by_alhopf7777777_d87df1y-350t.png or https://64.media.tumblr.com/d705a9d6bd99f283f3e81cac4fde777a/tumblr_o43qu1fm9t1ua6yn3o1_500.jpg or https://img3.pillowfort.social/posts/99930ca8c408bb6e8faf.jpeg etc. We see miriads of such images in Devisnt Art. They depicted some fantastic creatures, so if they would give freedom to imagination while depicting women, they would well create images like these DA examples. But we have not a single example of such images in Stone Age. Not a single example giving bigger proportions than we see at real ussbbws of our real life. Moreover, several of real ussbbws are slightly bigger in proportions than any known Venus. Thus, they didnt exaggerate over the examples / records they witnessed IRL. They were interested in creating images of real women. Indeed, there are two images in Marche where the author "fattened" the woman, adding new contours to the finished figure, which new contours made her even fatter ( https://www.deviantart.com/eightynineone/art/1b-Sitting-Woman-tracing-of-contours-1059789789 , https://www.deviantart.com/eightynineone/art/4b-Standing-Beauty-contours-1060252542 ) . But even these additional contours dont make her unrealistically fat as it us made in those miriads of DA pics referred above. With the final end of the Ice age, i.e. with the warming and disappearance of megafauna, this era ended, and in times after 10,000 years ago, people were again forced to move long distances from day to day, because there was no longer enough game for them in one and the same area. And there were no carriages and wheels, ir domestic beasts except dogs. The only mean of transportation besides your own legs were sledges driven by dogs, and they were appliable only in several areas of the world. People spent a huge amount of calories while making necessary movements from place to place. Therefore, in the Mesolithic, the type of preference of ussbbws, ssbbws and larger bbws ceased to exist as cultural phenomenon; it was temporarily suppressed by external environmental conditions. (8) Yet, later, the same combination of conditions as had existed in megafauna times, appeared in some places at a new level. For example, agricultural and cattke-breeding economies require constant physical labor and high caloric expenditure for those who produce everything needed for life. But the wealthy people and the elite, who could keep servants that would save them from physical work, again found themselves in the same position as the wives of megafauna hunters once had been, and even in better position - now they may not do physical work at all, but consume as much food as you like. For pastoralists, this is available to even a greater extent than for farmers, because cattle breeding actually requires less investment of physical labor than farming. And so, for example, in the cultures of the Southern European Neolithic, including Malta, of Near Eastern Neolithic and partly Bronze Age, in the African Great Lakes region of the Middle Ages and modern times (where there were huge herds of cattle that produced countless amounts of milk), in medieval Egypt, where there were the highest harvests in the world at that time, etc. - in the wealthy or just prosperous stratas, the ideal of an exceptionally obese woman again becomes extremely popular. Among the Arabs, this ideal, along with other preferences, existed not only in oasis areaa and cities, but even in the the nomadic tribes of Arabia, that is, among pastoralists. For more information about this, see the article by Katz, https://journals.openedition.org/anisl/3059?lang=en By the way, Arabs had camels, the carrying capacity of which was more than enough to transport such women if necessary, not to say about simple carriages driving by muse, asses and oxen. The same was true in many other regions of the world. For example, very obese women were very popular among the nomadic Mongols, since they had carts in which these women could always be transported. In Western Europe of the Middle Ages, Christianity dominated, and this already suppressed the possibility of the emergence of ssbbw preferencing as an open or wide spread cultural phenomenon. Nevertheless this type of preference emerged again in crusaders state in the Near East.

(9) When Christianity was adopted rather superficially, the larger bbws and ssbbws preferencing could be widespread even in the lands with not very rich harvests. For example, in Russia in the 15th - 17th centuries, the optimal weight of a beautiful woman who could afford it, according to the most popular preferences variant then in circulation, was considered to be from 7 to 7.5+ poods, that is, from 250 to 270 pounds. The average height of a woman then was 152 cm (5 ft 1 inch), so this weight on her looked like the average modern woman (168-169 cm) weighing 335 - 365 pounds. This ideal was then shared equally by the people and the elites. Moreover, they were so widespread that the very word of Russian language which means "thin", "hudoy" in Russian has the literal meaning "bad, unconvenient". And the word meaning "to gain weight, "popravitsya" in Russian, means literally "to get yourself in the right condition, to make yourself better". (10) By the end of the 18th century, due to deteriorating of living conditions and increasing repressivenesx if culture, in Russia this standard dropped to a range of 5.5 - 6 pounds, 200 - 215 pounds for the same height, which with a modern average height would give a weight range of 270 -290 lbs. And in the 18th century Russia, this ideal was already shared only by wealthy peasants, merchants and the simplest nobles. According to the adopted European fashion, the elitary ideals were already different. By the end of the 19th century, this ideal was already shared onky by a minority of the population in Russia, primarily among the merchants and wealthy peasants, not to say of course about individual fat admirers, that exist in any time and any society. (11) In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, throughout the developed world, the needs of the clothing industry began to have the strongest additional negative impact on the situation. Sewing clothes for a full figure not only requires more fabric consumption, but it also requires much more labor-intensive fitting work. The objective ideal for the clothing industry would be just a stick; its cover is the easiest to produce. Of course, mass production of clothing implies that standardization is desirable for the manufacturer, too. At the same time, the physical labour of working and housekeeping women still remained high. Thus, the 20th century turned out to be the time of greatest suppression of attraction to overweight and very overweight women. Now, at least in the United States, major changes are afoot. The culture has become somewhat less repressive and standardizing. But most importantly, for the first time in history, a huge mass of the population has the opportunity to receive a huge amount of high-calorie food, without spending a lot of calories on its production and on living. Water no longer needs to be carried from a well, cooking does not require kindling, vacuuming requires significantly fewer calories than hand cleaning, washing in a washing machine requires immeasurably less calories than hand washing. In this situation, a lot of people give themselves free rein, and the number of overweight and very overweight women becomes such that even a repressive culture is forced to take this into account and begins to retreat under the pressure of changing reality. This is what we are seeing in the United States, but we can talk about making the decisive pass only when, e.g., the Hollywood films show plump and very fat women as attractive, successful, sexy and beautiful characters. I think that this time is not far off.

Some indigenous still do the communal yuri fattening traditions

>>52517 Such as? Which tribes from which states do communal fattening of women?

I did hear of pacific islander groups that would do communal fattening for women like in Tahiti, and Samoa, any other cultures from the pacific islands that do this?

>>52517 >52549 Now recognizing you're from Canada, so I'll rephrase my question as which tribes in the US or Canada do this? Which groups from which states/Canadian provinces fatten up their women?

http://vivianlawry.com/fat-or-phat/

>>51025 really wondering if russian oligarchs secretly have obese wives they keep away from public eye. just kidding they probably have not

>>51025 thanks a lot for your input. much appreciated and please continue if you have more.

>>52570 Thank you! Now some people including me had created a team and contribute various info to the page https://www.deviantart.com/eightynineone There is no modern creations there, it is a storage for material which was found by us or sent to anyone of us by personal communications as pieces of folklore, literature or art of the past (the page owner adds sometimes illustrations made in XXth century). No one can garantee the authencity of all which was sent to us by private communications, still. But whenever we can or have a right to give a concrete source or provenance, the page owner gives it. You should be surprised, how many academicians, museum workers etc. are ready to share unpublished or forgotten (or given only in rare publications on Non-European languages) material on ssbbws on the terms of anonymity amd without naming a comcrete collection or institute holding Usually, no one wants to be known among his colleagues as "that crazy promoter of fat gals", you can be known to have such wife or gf or porn collection amd its fully ok, its your personal job. but let God protect you from beeing witnessed as one who praises fat beauties in public sphere. I am an archeologist, and I'd never dare to give my name, because I want to work quietly in my field amd I cannot change the situation

>>52665 Idk man, half of this looks like jank AI bs...

>>52665 >You should be surprised, how many academicians, museum workers etc. are ready to share unpublished or forgotten (or given only in rare publications on Non-European languages) material on ssbbws on the terms of anonymity amd without naming a comcrete collection or institute holding As an Anglophone academic historian, I'm torn between wanting to believe and rolling my eyes at the obvious AI gens

me like big woman, me stare, me give rock to her

>>52729 I am not a specialist in ai, so I have no any valid opinion on this point. .i have checked now ai board here , at bbw chan, and i googled words ai ssbbw pic. I have not found anything like tha"t Indian " or Ai stuff, but it isn't a proof, because I have no info on what one can do with Ai. The fact that didn't see any AI image like those images doesn't mean that they are not AI. Being only an archaeologist with interest to folklore, I can elaborate any valid opinion only on archaeological and folklore material. Marche pics of humans were very well published in 1976, and though there are rare voices supposing that some of them are fakes, the great majority of archaeologists take them as true, and the arguments for their non-authenticity seem to me disastrously weak, such as idea that one elephant-like figure resembles not a mammuth , but an elephant, while, it is said, no elephants lived there in these times. I checked this image, it resembles a mammuth as well as any other elephant like creature, and what is more important, it was well proved that real elephants existed on various territories of southwestern Europe till Bronze Age. The Beringian stuff was partly published and partly can be seen in local museums and collections , it's okay with it. Erotic folklore tales about fat women are partly published, some items I've heard personally just from the people. As for me, I like other images on this page but I never would dare to stay that they are not Ai or not handmade works of artists of nowadays. They were sent to us as reproductions of real images from the recent past, but the senders could be mystified or could try to mystify us.

>>52733 >They were sent to us as reproductions of real images from the recent past, but the senders could be mystified or could try to mystify us. Except for the archaeological tracings, which I don't have the expertise to evaluate, most of the images on your DA are obvious AI creations. This should be immediately obvious -- even by current AI standards this is mediocre output. I'm pretty sure you know this and that I'm the one getting trolled (or "mystified") here, but because I'd love to see more genuine scholarly work on this topic and would love an actual curated archive of authentic premodern BBW material, I'll do some deboonking to correct the record. For starters, the janky hands and feet are an obvious AI tell. Woman on the left has eight toes on one of her feet, woman on the right has six. Likewise, the eyes of the woman on the right are pointing in opposite directions. Look at how the right breast of the woman on the left has a gold smear that continues across her arm. The AI isn't sure from her posture whether it's supposed to draw a protruding nipple or shade the fold of her elbow, so it connects the two in a single line that makes no representational sense. Now compare this to an actual classical Persian miniature. First obvious mistake is that the gold-on-green text across the top is imitating Arabic script, but the actual letters don't line up or make any sort of cohesive letter shapes. The AI knows that by the conventions of Islamic art there "should" be text there, compare the black-on-tan portions of the actual artwork. But it's not actual script, just a bunch of squiggles. and even if it were real letters, the text would probably be gibberish. (Try playing around with DALL-E and getting it to generate text in your native language to get a feel for how this works.) Now look at the ground where the women are standing. In the actual painting, you can see several different distinct flower motifs, in patterns which repeat symmetrically with subtle variations. The vines above the guy's head are realistic (if stylized) plant shapes, with each individual vine branching a couple of times and each leaf clearly connected to a particular vine and angled correctly. In the AI image, meanwhile, the ground has vaguely recognizable plant shapes in it, but they're not in any sort of arrangement and they don't add up to a representation of any actual object, just a bunch of blotches that sort of look like stylized flower shapes if you relax your focus. As I scroll down the image to write this pedantic sperg post, I notice that the bottom layer of the AI image (squared-off blue and yellow) is also a garbled attempt at representing Arabic, in this case, the square Kufic script as opposed to the flowing Nastaliq calligraphy. But not only is it not real text, it's not even symmetrical, it's a bunch of sloppy vertical lines of uneven width. Absolutely haram. Actual Kufic script looks kind of like a QR code and is used in mosaics with square tiles, pic related. tl;dr somebody got taken on a ruse cruise and I don't know if it was you or me

I am rather convinced (and its not "my dear cause" in any case) but it must be noted that no one told to anyone that these items are oriental miniatures. I myself checked oriental artful miniatures from Turkey to Mughal tradition and I never think, that they have any relation to items we discuss, and nobody proposed to,us such idea. It was told that they are cheap stamps or drawings , redrawn and copied one from another by illiterate and not at all skillful and thorough people, just as egyptian souvenir papyri, which are produced handfully or with stamping in Egypt now and are of a very bad quality. No one takes care , while producing such stuff , for accuracy of figures or toes, accuracy of color or reality of " hieroglyphs", drawn on these papyri. If there is a normal source for copying, the signs are realistic, if not , the signs can be a garbage. illiterate cheap producers of this kind of stuff would have never tried to reproduce any real writing. Once more, I am very far from any attempt to say they are NOT AI creations. I myself will be happy if they are, and if somebody names me the corresponding AI tool or program. I will know what to do with it! - not of cource in order to propose my works with such AI tools as reproductions of some old pieces, but to have as much pieces of the kind as i want, and to be able to determine their details and plots The only reason for my questions is that I never saw anything alike these items from any AI. If anyone would tell me how i can receive such pieces from this or that AI, i will be more than grateful and i think that it will be not only me who will be very grateful. I will not drop a single tear if it will be neccessary to rename the corresponding gallery as " AI stylisations of imaginated cheap Indian pieces with fat women". I will be glad to hear it.

>>52837 No. I don’t see it that way.

>>52837 >It was told that they are cheap stamps or drawings, redrawn and copied one from another by illiterate and not at all skillful and thorough people No, someone is hoaxing you. Even beyond the obvious tells of AI generation (the arm fold in particular is a standard AI mistake), this is clearly a piece of digital art, not a scan of an actual object. If they're not willing to give citations, I'd be very skeptical. I work in an academic library, and I find it hard to believe that a serious scholar wouldn't at least share a citation or catalog record entry. If I wanted to stay anonymous, I'd just contact you with a burner email account and not identify myself. I can only suggest Anglophone AI tools, but DALL-E 2 via Bing is the most accessible free AI image generator. I can't post a URL because it triggers the autoban, but search "Bing Create." I strongly recommend that you spend some time experimenting with it. Once you get a "feel" for what AI-generated art looks like, it becomes easy to recognize. The technology has been improving dramatically over the past few years, but it's not at a point yet where it can be truly indistinguishable from human art.

Glad this thread is still up cause I came across these this morning, while looking something up that was totally unrelated. The Tlatico culture were active in mexico between 1250 bc and 800 bc and they're largely known for figurines they made. Whats interesting is most of the other ones are completely normal sized, but a few of them look like they had lipedema.

>>32406 They stuff themselves with Chankonabe, a specific dish made for bulking up while they spend most of their time doing intense exercise regimens. They're basically bodybuilders in all but name.