my wife took it and gained all the weight back plus some. She ended up in the hospital after she was sick for weeks.

Speaking as a guy, I’m currently around 290lbs. I’m fat and I’ve always wanted to be fat. I’m interested in dating fat girls only. I can say 100% that I have absolutely no interest or intention to take these drugs. If I get hypertension, I’ll up my exercise and take medication for that. Same for cholesterol. If I ever become pre- or full diabetic, then I’ll lose some weight but even then, I prefer exercise. The last thing I want to do is take a medication that’ll stop my love of food and my ex-GF loved food too much as well. Plus, I know somebody who’s really fat who took one of these drugs and had to quit due to nausea. I think the media is hyping these drugs up and people who want to lose weight will take it. In my personal opinion, I think lots of these people just want instant and easy results, and they’ll likely be the ones who’ll want to grab it, depriving diabetics the supply they need. And looking at statistics, it seems the vast majority gain 2/3 of the weight back anyway, so it seems pointless to me. And besides, the drug doesn’t do all the work; you still have to combine it with diet and exercise, and maintain it. I don’t see that happening in everyone. TL;DR I don’t think this will be the end of fat people. Some people will feel sick and stop taking it. Most people will gain the weight back. There will always be people who know they want to be fat and seek a fat partner.

>>53864 >European thinks the US healthcare system will allow a universally desirable and lifesaving drug to be available to the masses I'm not worried.

I think it's still too early to say. WLS was supposed to be the end of fatness, especially once they figured out how to save more people than kill them, and less medieval treatments like the lap band were developed. Yet there were still enough complications where it didn't turn out to be "the magic bullet." People managed to eat through their surgeries, and it's really just a (drastic) tool alongside diet and exercise. Unlike WLS, there's also a definite set-point for weight loss when using the drugs alone. Most people lose 15-25% of their body weight and stop there, and larger doses don't help. Of course if you supplement the drugs with diet and exercise you'll lose more weight, but if most people could manage that these drugs would be a moot point. If you're 5'8", 220 lbs and lose 44 you've dropped an entire category, from obese to overweight (and for our purposes, are not really fat anymore). But if you're 5'5" and 400 lbs and lose 80, you're still pretty damn fat. Thing is, Novo Nordisk and other drug companies are working hard to get past this set point issue. There's hundreds of billions of dollars at stake so I wouldn't bet against them. Cost and availability won't be an issue much longer, even in the US. Wegovy and Ozempic go generic in China in 2026; Europe, Japan, and the US in 2031. That will drop the price to where just about any insurance company as well as Medicaid and Medicare will approve it, and anyone with a decent job will be able to afford it privately. (People already spend insane amounts on weight loss solutions they know don't work.) Already there are pharmacies compounding their own versions, semi-legally, for a fraction of the price. This is exploding in popularity in (red) states where govt subsidies are less and insurance companies are given greater latitude to deny patients.

There's always the chance for a paradox effect, where some people who take a drug actually recieve results that are the opposite of what is intended. Imagine a somewhat chubby girl taking ozympic for a shortcut and completely blowing up.

>>53955 I assume people who overeat for psychological reasons can override the drugs?

>>53957 Ozempic suppresses your appetite at a hormonal level. It is very difficult to overeat while you're on it. If you manage to overeat anyway, it makes you extremely nauseous. Hell, some people report that the drug just makes them really nauseous in general regardless of how much they eat. My friend's aunt is on it and she says it just makes her too nauseous to want to (over)eat in the first place. But she still takes it anyway.

>>53888 >Unlike WLS, there's also a definite set-point for weight loss when using the drugs alone. Most people lose 15-25% of their body weight and stop there, and larger doses don't help. [...] if you're 5'5" and 400 lbs and lose 80, you're still pretty damn fat. I know of a woman like this (my boss's wife's sister. I've never met her but my boss told me all of this shit). Idk her weight but she hit a plateau after losing 6 stone (84lbs) so I presume she was about 400 or close to it. She kept using the drug for like another 8 months at double the recommended dose and still hasn't lost any more weight. Apparently she's desperately trying to get WLS, but she can't find a doctor who'll do it or an insurance company that'll cover it. WLS is not common in Ireland whatsoever, despite us ostensibly being a fat country if you look at statistics. This is a bit of a digression but I sometimes feel like the statistics are misleading, but maybe that's because most of the fat people in this country are old and/or ugly so I just don't notice them lol

>>53862 >Should we start bombing the pharmaceutical companies now??? This looks like a mission for 007.

We can either hope that: A) It has egregious side effects that lead to it being taken off the market B) Mixed markets with FDA like institutions only allow select companies to manufacture it (like with all prescription drugs in the United States) leading to extreme prices that are unfeasible for the average person

>>54055 It’s a biologic that costs five figures and cures nothing but a lack of willpower. Considering it costs 1/3 of most workers new pay I don’t think it’s sustainable for insurances long term on a mass scale. We’re seeing the impact of the drug getting popular with more than new money fat suburbanites whose parents can get a script for “obesity”.

>>54005 kek

I seriously doubt we are going to see more people run to take this drug. We are closing in on a women's size 20 to be a national average! I was at an event recently and 9 out of 10 women were obese. Not fat, over 300lbs. Times are swinging to fat.

Tbh allowing women to have more control over their weight is nice. Someone can gain to quite big and then easily loose it if they want. You dont have to be afriad of being fat your whole life just by gaining at 20. So a win tbh, and there will always be fat girls.

>>54087 > Tbh allowing women to have more control over their weight is nice. Tbh they’ve always had 100% control over their weight and are too lazy and greedy to work out and diet like the rest of us.

As someone who’s on it, here’s my take: It requires a lot of commitment and follow through that these girls don’t have. You can eat through it but you get a god awful stomach ache and feel like death. Believe it or not I started taking it as a way to see if it would cut back on my drinking and it has, I’ve also lost 20lbs. My point with this is, unless it becomes significantly cheaper, or easier to take, these girls won’t take it. Most don’t see a doctor regularly, or live in rural areas, or are poor, or have mental health conditions, etc. We will have to worry about the Boberrys of the world taking it, but we don’t have to worry about the lot of them. Another example is look at how many qualify for WLS, and how many actually get it, how many actually gain the weight back? Don’t get me wrong, I love fat chicks, fucking cannot get enough of them, but these drugs are an amazing invention that will help society as a whole.

This drug has been around for twelve years already, it has a ton of side effects, and if anything can't be considered a magic pill. Why is everyone talking about it all of a sudden?

>>54161 If you’re too weak willed to eat right it forces you to not binge on fast food or you get sick, fat people are lazy and want a easy way out

>>54161 The rule with anything new is to treat it as a magic pill. As soon as a new weight loss drug shows up, everyone acts like it's a magic shortcut to weight loss and after a while, once side effects become more well known then yeah views of it will change and will no longer be the magical potion it was once heralded as. Plus as we say, how do we know that those who took it won't regain weight either go back to their old diets or regain weight after going off the meds?

I also am guessing that based on stories of it not working for some people, it may not always work on 100% of all people, there will be cases where it either doesn't work, or barely works. But that doesn't sell, what does is the narrative of the superfat person who's now thin and skinny.

Research is finally unlocked the secrets of what makes people obese and its only a matter of time before better drugs come along with fewer side-effects. I think we should have a special federal disability system for paying superfatties. The fatter you are the more money you get. Then we won't have to worry about the drugs.

>A revolutionary new drug hits the market that is twice as effective as Ozempic and half the price >People who take it shed pounds effortlessly and the drug quickly becomes a cultural phenomenon, much to the vexation of traditional fitness nuts and influencers everywhere >It turns out to be too good to be true, however, as users who stop taking the drug are hit with intense hunger pangs that can only be dulled by copious amounts of food, soon blowing back up at an alarming rate >New research reveals that the drug rewires the brain and permanently reduces metabolism, drastically increasing hunger and weight gain without regular doses >The pharmaceutical company behind it takes advantage of the situation and quietly raises its price and scarcity, leaving those unable to afford and obtain the drug to balloon uncontrollably >Willpower and self-control become the focus of public discourse as the media is torn between condemnation and pity of those struggling without the drug >Widely seen as walking (or waddling) cautionary tales of indulgence and laziness, they become socially acceptable targets of public humiliation as their bloated bodies are subject to rude comments, groping hands, and sneering laughter >Forget the promise of an easy weight loss solution, for in the grim dark future there is only fatness, and the laughter of big pharma

>>54539 I think it’s reached peak affordability. Looking at the pricing for low dose commercial brands (not regulated)…it’s still thousands of dollars. It’s affordable, but it’s gonna be another charge the size of a car payment on an over stressed female consumer class that can’t keep up with their lifestyles (and in an ahistoric twist there are no patriarchy to bail them out with wealthier husbands to propel American consumer spending, which makes Zemmy less attractive as the golddigger/sugarbaby market dries up)

I was all gloom and doomy but these drugs are maybe not the magic pill they've been hyped to be. From what I've seen lately the side effects are more common and more severe than the medical-industrial complex has let on. Constant nausea and unbearable constipation seem to be common. Both are treatable with other drugs, which have their own side effects, and so on. Fat stigma is bad enough that many people deal with it short-term but whether they can handle it long term is another story. Remember effectiveness maxes out at 15-20% of original body weight. It's not like it's turning morbidly obese people skinny. Also that national health systems and US insurance companies are not signing on for indefinite use. Which means the weight loss is temporary, as nearly everyone who stops the drugs gains it all back immediately.

>>54569 None of the research uses *proper* fatties. There does appear to be some correlation with increased starting BMI and percentage of weight lost though.

>>54084 Where is this paradise you speak of? I am currently in your worst country in the developed world for an FA and long to be in fatty America. When I return to the US I would like to move to one of the fatter states.

>>54607 I'm emigrating to Texas.

It's over.

>>53862 People will get fatter anyway because they will have convinced themselves that they don't have to supplement their ozempic usage with dietary restrictions and workouts.

>>54569 It feels like some law of equivalent exchange is being violated in this drug especially. I wouldn't be surprised if we discover some horrible side effect from prolonged use. I've heard about cases of partially paralyzing the GI tract, causing GI pain and moderate diarrhea for life? Who knows what's true anymore. A lot of people were very quick to jump on the bandwagon of a drug that doesn't have a lot of time on the market. I wonder if a lot of people will just increase their intake to adapt to the metabolic freedom they're taking.

>>54901 Interestingly, severe obesity increased.

>>54179 > Plus as we say, how do we know that those who took it won't regain weight either go back to their old diets or regain weight after going off the meds? Pretty much. It’s like beating ADHD with medicine rather than discipline/routine. Medicine can help people reset their routines. >>54569 > side effects are more common and more severe than the medical-industrial complex has let on. Constant nausea and unbearable constipation seem to be common. These are features not bugs. The drugs were meant to regulate blood sugar, the fact that they make you feel sickened by food/eating is why it’s useful off label for weight loss. >>54909 > like some law of equivalent exchange is being violated in this drug Ok, too bad this is pharmacology in the real world not Full Metal Alchemist. > I wonder if a lot of people will just increase their intake to adapt to the metabolic freedom Not how it works. The drug makes you feel sick if you overeat. It’s just methadone for food addicts. No cartoon physics just people are supposed to change their habits and stop habitually picking up poison from their dealers every time they see Golden Arches.

>>54909 >I wouldn't be surprised if we discover some horrible side effect from prolonged use. We absolutely will. These things never work, and they always backfire.

>>53862 Nobody's getting forced to take those pills, people can be fat if they want to, and Ozempic in particular has a nasty side effect of preventing people from taking in nutrients from their food, causing them to get loads of health issues and look like they're dying if they overdo it.

>>54936 > These things never work, and they always backfire. lol, no they don’t. The safety of amphetamines was overstated but theyre still standard therapies at the right dosage and indication. You’re acting like every drug ever had a thalidomide sized scandal which is fucking moronic. Especially this generation of biologics, they’re incredibly safe and specific by the nature of their chemistry.

>>54968 None of this is true. It slows down gastric emptying and may affect rate of absorbing drugs but does not impact nutritional absorption. (Unless you got a pubmed citation I missed). It’s a great diabetes medication that makes you feel full longer and feel sick from eating and disgusted by food. Most of this is due to that food being an excessively dense calorie load that’s basically hacking the digestive system for a drug like food high.

>>53862 I think it'll start to level out once the initial hype wears off. I think we will see a lot of weight loss followed by massive regains, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if you think long term. No drug fixes the mentality that gets you big

>>53862 >What Happens When Ozempic-like Drugs are Cheap and Ubiquitous? People die. https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehignett/2024/11/09/woman-dies-after-using-weight-loss-drug-in-uks-first-case/

Fat people won't miraculously disappear just because reliable weight loss drugs exist. Between limited supplies and pricing, as well as U.S. healthcare being dogshit in general, I suspect most people just won't have access to ozempic and similar drugs in most cases. If getting ozempic in the near future is as difficult as getting actual necessary-to-survival medicine right now, it'll be an absolute bitch, and even more so if it gets categorized as "non-essential" as it likely will if it isn't already, thereby ensuring insurance companies won't cover it even at gunpoint. Also, don't forget that less fat people does not equal the end of fat fetishism. Even back when food was scarce at various points in history and being obese was a rarer luxury, there were still plenty of people who were turned on by fatties and would seek them out when possible. And just as there will still be fat-lovers, there'll still be men and women who enjoy being fat and getting fatter. Unless someone finds a way to permanently fry the neurons in the brain responsible for fetishes, they're not gonna go anywhere, and if that happens we'll have way bigger issues to worry about. In the "worst case" scenario, where ozempic becomes piss-easy and cheap to get and the average person is on it with no ill effects, all it'll do is weed out the accidentally/unintentionally fat folks who don't enjoy it, leaving only the FAs and willful BBWs/BHMs. If you ask me that's a net-positive, only gets better when both people in a relationship are into it and willingly participating, and no good relationship I've seen has ever been founded on lies or deception like secretly-fattening partners. If you're the type who can only enjoy it when it's forced or sneaky, roleplay exists for a reason. Let the thin people be thin, if it works out that way, will just make it easier to get a fat girl or guy who'll appreciate the attention and taste for their fuller figure.

>>57766 I agree with a lot of your points. Drugs like Ozempic might change the landscape somewhat, but they won’t erase fat bodies or fat positivity from existence. As you said, access is a huge hurdle....between the high costs, limited supply, and the way insurance companies love to sidestep coverage for anything deemed "non-essential," these drugs will remain out of reach for many people. You’re also spot-on about the enduring nature of fat attraction and fat positivity. Preferences and fetishes aren’t going to vanish just because society shifts toward thinner norms (if that even happens). History has shown us time and again that there’s always been admiration for larger bodies, even in times when fatness was rare and symbolic of wealth or indulgence. Fetishes and preferences aren’t just about availability......they’re deeply rooted in individual psychology and cultural influences. And honestly, your "worst case scenario" framing makes a lot of sense. If these drugs primarily impact people who don’t want to be fat, it could actually benefit the community by leaving those who genuinely embrace and enjoy their size

99% of people are just following a beauty standard, period, and most beauty standards are set based on the criteria of “it’s hard for the average person to do this.” Hence being chubby and lazy in pre-industrial times, but now that any trailer trash can be fat, thin says “I have discipline and willpower and have the time and money for a personal trainer.” There is precedent to suggest that while it may nip at the number of super obese people, and fewer people are as fat, but in doing so, makes the quest to be super thin obsolete because there’s no status in it anymore. When home electricity came out, the rich ate dinner in super bright light because candles became for the poors. When electricity became ubiquitous, the classy thing magically flipped it back on its head, rediscovering candlelight and dimmer switches, and calling it ambiance.

My girlfriend started taking these about 3 months ago. She's still plenty big (she's around a 60 BMI) but she's lost enough weight now where a lot of her clothes are loose. I did find out from her on her first check-up afterwards that she lost less weight than most people do in the same period. It's not the end of the world for me as she's getting where she can do more sex positions and her lack of fitness was kind of concerning, but I won't lie that it's a bit of a bummer when in my dream scenario she'd be a 500 pound super chonker.

>>54901 counterpoint, fast food has never been more expensive. food in general. not that many people are on ozempic yet to influence the charts like this

It's over. Ozempic will be prescibed for everything. https://x.com/fperrywilson/status/1882179582486278186

I think that there will be a temporary blip where people lose weight with Ozempic, but it won't last and in time the obesity rates will continue to climb. Here's a link to the caveats of taking Ozempic: https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/weight-loss/ozempic-stopped-working-for-weight-loss If that article is to be believed, it's normal for weight loss to plateau while taking Ozempic long term, and a percentage of the population don't lose much if any weight with the drug at all. Ozempic doesn't do anything to change bad habits when you're not on the drug or when its effects naturally plateau. This is just like lap band: if the patient hasn't put in the work to change their diet and exercise habits long term, they'll put the weight right back on. If anything, the idea that you can lose weight with a magic pill is going to make people less likely to permanently modify their diets, so I don't doubt that we'll see people put weight right back on after getting off Ozempic. So yeah. Personally I don't think this drug is the end of obesity.

Based on my understanding of how these drugs like ozempic and wegovy work, the false understanding of just how "miraculous" they really are being sold to the masses, and what happens when people stop taking them, the trajectory will probably end up looking something like this: >fat girls (and guys to be fair, but I'm mainly focusing on the women here because boner) get on ozempic to drop weight after long having given up on traditional diet + exercise for being too difficult >drug causes them to shed a lot of fat thanks to both chemical changes and appetite suppression >no actual uptick in daily caloric burn or lowering of actual caloric intake beyond the drug nixing their appetite while in their system >root cause of their obesity still lying dormant, like a zombie plague waiting for its chance to explode out and take over the world >continue taking the ozempic until they're as thin they want to be, then suddenly stop because they "don't need it anymore" >chemical caloric intake inhibition screeches to a halt, along with appetite suppression no longer working >before long they're both starving AND taking in 100% of the higher number of calories they're stuffing themselves with again >BMI of all the women who lost weight via ozempic skyrockets basically overnight as they fatten right back up again in short order >they likely not only regain most/all the old weight from before, but have it come back jigglier thanks to fat filling in pre-loosened skin from prior weight gain, same thing as when models who get WLS regain all the weight >they might gain even more weight on top of that, thanks to stress/depression binging over the aforementioned rubberbanding of their BMI right back into fatass territory If you're worried about all the fatties going extinct due to ozempic and such, don't be. Even if the shit I just said above ends up being 100% incorrect, there will always still be people out there who get off on the idea of being fat and getting fatter, along with other, different people who wanna fuck, feed and fatten up the first set of people. Kinks aren't gonna magically disappear no matter how many fancy drugs we invent, human beings are always and forever gonna be pervy and weird as long as we have free will and sapience, it's part of the package.

>>54931 >Pretty much. It’s like beating ADHD with medicine rather than discipline/routine. Medicine can help people reset their routines. Coming back to this as it's an interesting comparison. I'm currently on Ritalin for ADHD and it's really helped me get over my executive dysfunction. It makes sense that people are using ozempic to force themselves into calorie deficits in order to manage their weight loss. It can't be sustainable long term, though; I would expect there to be a growing number of people who suffer from the effects of yo-yo dieting.

>>60103 Also does anyone know if the rumors that Trump's belligerence with Denmark is gonna increase Ozempic prices are true?

>>60105 It's possible. Though ultimately whether US purchases Greenland will come down to a referendum by Greenland, it's in their constitution. Applying pressure to US by Denmark as a deterrent is reasonable.

>>59796 Looking at it like that, wouldn't it also be easier to indulge in the fetish because "I can always loose it with Ozempic if I change my mind"