>>48842 >>48843 They both push the envelope by diving deep into their own sexuality but I actually don't think they're compatible. For one thing I don't think Crumb is an FA. He likes big legs and asses, big women in general, but he likes them firm and athletic. You've never seen him draw a girl with a fat, flabby belly, at least not as a sex object. His first wife Dana was plump but he admits he married her because she was the first woman who was ever interested in him. His second wife Aline was more of classic Crumb gal, thin on top, thick legs and ass (as a young woman at least) but not fat-fat. Meanwhile Sonntag is a chubby chaser down to his DNA. He's all about huge bellies, fat rolls, double chins, etc. As I mentioned earlier his wife was an actual sideshow fat lady. I like Crumb's taste in women and think he's an amazing artist but I find most of his sex stuff grotesque rather than erotic. Basically he's a misogynist (as he's admitted) and so his work is sadistic. You're right that Sonntag is way less of a button-pushe. While he's obsessed with fat women in the same way Crumb is with big asses, his fantasies are more sensual and female-centric. I'd go so far as to say he worships fat women, where unlike Crumb you never see them degraded. Even in a comic like the Renegade Romance entry, the feedism is mutual and the guy is saving the woman from society's expectations. He's not force-feeding her to death.

>>48850 I love when I tell ppl shit. Then watch the up tick on bbwchan. I hate black people. Proud to be spanish.

>>48850 I guess I was right, the two creators while similar would be too different to make something that would appeal to FAs. I guess yeah the difference between loving a woman like Ashley graham over boberry. Plus yeah Crumb never did feedism, he was more into chubby/curvy well built women over superfat obese ones. Maybe to say he was a light FA over one we are? What would we call someone who was into slightly plump women over overweight/obese ones?

What would you say makes Sonntag more sensual and female-centric?

>>48863 >What would we call someone who was into slightly plump women over overweight/obese ones? Normal? lol >>48867 The poses, their facial expressions and body language, the line quality — Ned's smooth and fine, Crumb's heavily crosshatched with lots of blunt lines. But especially the situations. I've seen a fair amount of both artists' work and never saw Ned put a woman, say, on all fours with her ass up, a gag in her mouth and a guy riding her ass like a pony. 95% of Crumb's women are either naive or outright dumb, pushy, and/or satanic (sometimes literally). Ned's gals are queens, priestesses, goddesses, adventurers, etc. Even if they're outright sex objects they're smiling and seem to be in control of the situation.

>>48874 Rick ross dont write his own music. Not good with names.

>>48874 > 95% of Crumb's women are either naive or outright dumb, pushy, and/or satanic (sometimes literally). Sounds like a decent artist aka Picasso. > Ned's gals are queens, priestesses, goddesses, adventurers, etc. Simp harder bro. This shit is lame.

I can see that now, cause one critique of underground comix is that the women were sex props in male fantasies. They don't mind being near nude or full nude or sleeping with any man that approaches them. The story could also do as I said show straight up rape. I wanted to know how Sonntag did it and how one arguably could have women in a sexy work without them just being solely sex props. I guess I was wondering what the term should be for someone who enjoys women that are a little plump but not obese.

>>48898 Kisame here, no. Characters in expansion back then were sex props because of the limitations of the magazine format. Just like Tifa, Mai, Chun Li, Ihora, and Laura Croft. Nobody asked for a serious discussion. The problem will always be that adults have too much demands that cannot be met. Just look at how FF7 can't sell the PS5 cause gamers are disinterested in the story, or Zelda in leggings can't move the Switch past lethargy.

>>48874 That's because Crumb's entire family was schizo painters. Somehow R.Crumb was normal one. Ned is trained by Pratt Institute which trains people in classical liberal arts which is a mix of European and American design. It's not SUNY or Briarciffe, or those for profit film schools that are centred in Manhattan

>>48898 There’s a lot of non-consenting situations (e.g. ghostly possession) that make it very much pro sexual assault if not outright rape. It can be seen as a distinctly pre-alt-right-manosphere proto-incel culture of objectifying cartoons of easily victimized women for sexual fantasy.

Ned is fairly active on Tumblr still, at least as a lurker. Man likes em BIG BIG (i mean, same here). Often likes my USSBBW posts. Wish he'd post more often, always happy to reblog

>> It's interesting to compare it to the incel/manosphere since many of the creators supported the counter culture. Or maybe it's fair to say the guys like Crumb liked the parts of free love that meant men being able to pursue their sexual fantasies but not so their partners. They may have been willing to push buttons but probably weren't outright Neo-Nazis.

>>48905 > pro sexual assault I read somewhere that the underground comic artists were advocating for sexual assault at to various times.

>>48905 Like Is says, women in early expansion were sex props. I think they're making a comeback because people are tired of Nomura, Kishimoto, Kubo, Oda, not knowing how to write female characters properly that old characters seem more genuine. The guy just seems genuine as opposed to the Japanese protagonist being some kind of demon king, bandit, or self insert.

>>48909 Not really. People have higher standards for female characters nowadays. It's just that no one, not even women, want to make female action heroes, causing boomers to blame underground comix for not bending the knee to DEI. Many artists came from Catholic or Jewish backgrounds and have no interest in listening to Democrats ruling like a king.

>>48910 >>48911 Is? Nomura? For this is it the issue of male creators not making female characters with depth and complexity and change? As well as how most to all women in their stories must have Double-D and up jugs once they come of age? Also what's making a comeback? DEI? I feel that there is an interest to have female action heroes. Question is if they have depth and complexity, if they grow and change, and if there's more beyond just being a strong empowered woman. If they can have flaws, question themselves, have interests and change and become different. Having them as a bland action protagonist is a problem.

I also ask just how I can do a story with sexy women and have them with personality and growth beyond being sexy, comfortable with their body and not minding wearing little to no clothes. I think there can be works with fanservice, thing is can it be more than just an excuse for women in tight, revealing outfits?

>>48933 I feel like there's no interest in complex characters in expansion stories. The issue is that complex female characters don't get high ratings no matter how many times advocates pitch a fit. I said that the expansion hero who oogles at women are making a comeback cause he's honest about it as opposed to "no way fag" Japanese characters.

>>48955 They aren’t supposed to be characters with their own motivations and personalities. They’re walking sex objects being presented to men who know no woman would ever consent to have sex with the , much less fat fetish sex. It’s not Weinstein level rapey, more Cosby level pro-sexual assault. Which explains Ned’s sexual assault advocacy.

I swear if >>47629 never used SA to describe size advocacy, this whole thread would have gone a different way.

>>48966 Blacks don't hold a paternalistic view towards sex. I don't know what you're trying to imply

>>48981 Did not realize Ned was black, he always seemed more like those suburban white supremacists that think they’re woke because they vote Biden

>>48967 I thought that at first, but no. I now realize I could have written literally anything and this thread still would have been taken over by trolls, schizos, and bots... Like every other worthy /gen discussion. The only threads that thrive in this toxic wasteland are self-hating FAs weeping over their lust for fat women, and people bitching about the site itself. Which I suppose is what I'm doing, oh well. I really would like to share my thoughts on Ned Sonntag and I appreciate your efforts to get this thing back on track. I hope you enjoyed my contributions as well and I apologize for insulting you. But I just can't sift through the bullshit anymore.

>>48985 You did this. Stop trying to act like a victim.

>>48988 Kisame here. I told him that those SA advocates have been replaced by the hamplanets that goes to Whole Foods, Trader Joe's. They don't eat at those shit ball diners off Merrick Road

The other part of finding Sonntag's art is that not all of his stuff has BBWs. I was labeling other projects he did that would likely lack BBWs. He apparently did work for Marvel, Scooby Doo comics and Betty Boop, no way these works would have BBWs. Best case maybe a minor BBW character. Just want to point out why I ask, so when I search for work Sonntag did, I know what has BBWs and what doesn't and for others too to know where he did BBW art.

>>48994 Wtf did you just request?????!

>>48995 Just BBW art drawn by Sonntag. Just saying what to avoid in terms of searching. Just what stuff he did that would likely lack BBW art.

>>48991 Krogers is more popular than ever with the bbws. It’s a step up from Arby’s at this point.

>>48909 >I read somewhere that the underground comic artists were advocating for sexual assault at to various times. You say that like it’s a bad thing. I say give the women what they want. Let them eat cake and so forth.

>>49007 As I see it, sexual assault isn’t not that bad if it’s in art. I never heard of Sontag catching a case so I’m inclined to say it’s fine to consume his rape porn if that’s your thing.

>>49016 Qanon was talking about the Soros backed Dems because the art world is a magnet for artsy fartsy types. Noem would be popular if she didn't shoot her dog.

If you want a serious answer, undegroudncomix have always been filed with shady heroes. Conservatives already have Supes, Captain America and all the other types. Ned is a Hank Ketcham cartoon boomer from a blue state. It's not the depression when cartoonists can get women to make sandwiches for them with their dick while striking. They've been party animals since Dave Fleischer. Fred Quimby and the other producer was sent to reign in Tex Avery.

>>48984 I dunno. Conservatism has gotten boring. It trained good vs evil for banking as well as getting rid of 7k credit debt. I don't care for politics. NYC has been liberal for decades. It's just a working class mid-size city without the tourists.

>>48574 >>48567 >>48633 >>48634 >t. Hasan/Kendrick fans ✊🏿 🇵🇸 🍉 Having sex with a 17-year-old in a state where the age of consent is 17 isn't rape, retard. Take your soy Zoomer SJW wokescold shit elsewhere. Pedophilia means 12 and under, by the way. Stop getting all your information from triggered soccer moms on Twitter. No wonder you didn't like Seinfeld; you're not smart enough to get it. "Nyooo you can't have legal sex with 17-year-olds! Muh high school!" Shut the fuck up, bitch. Move to some shithole country with a higher age of consent if you're such a repressed twat (especially you, Netherlander, since the age of consent in your country is even lower). Of course you complain about "muh R slur." A word's not a slur just because it hurts your witto fee-fees, retard. Nigga isn't the N word. That's "nigger," nigger. Imagine being such a fucking retarded nigger that you unironically support Amber Turd. She was proven to have literally doctored a photo to make herself look injured, you braindead, retarded faggot. For the record, Ned is a retarded, woke Marxist just like you guys, and would probably love you all, despite the fact that you'd hate him for being a white man. He's even a fedora-wearing faggot like you guys are. I've met him in real life. He's utterly intolerable. Thankfully he blocked me pretty quickly on Facebook. >>47730 What program did you use to de-warp it?

>>49057 Whenever someone uses pedophilia, it's often whenever the person is under 18. For those 13-17, the term ephebophilia is used. You are right, as much of a bleeding heart I am, I can acknowledge that if someone sleeps with a 17 year old in a state where that's the age of consent, legally they have done nothing wrong, but morally, they have done something bad. Same in places where the age of consent is 14, 15,16, technically nothing wrong was committed. Not advocating for teenage brides, just describing something that's a legal gray area. So if a celebrity had an underage girlfriend in a place with different age of consent laws, they aren't doing something illegal so we can't throw them in jail. I wouldn't want to do this, I'd prefer to be with adult women. I don't know what Sonntag's politics would be. I thought that if he did underground comix, he would have had left leaning views if he hung around that sort of crowd, though I don't doubt some of them were conservative, economically or socially.

>>49061 I guess technically pedophilia is 10 and under, like Muhammed, hebephilia is 11-14, and ephebophilia is 15-17.

>>49061 >morally, they have done something bad That's just your opinion, and it's an unpopular one, or the law would be different. It's not like 1 year would make a big difference, regardless. You should campaign for raising the age of consent to 25 or something if that's what you think is right and you think I'm wrong that your opinion is unpopular.

>>49063 God damn you write like a whiny suburban bitch. Get a Time Machine to 1989 and ask your parents to hug you for once.

16 is objectively the best AOC. Girls get their first period at the latest somewhere in their 14th year of life, at that point the amount of fertile eggs in the ovaries are at their maximum but their growth spurt hasn't finished yet. 16 then seems like a good compromise considering females roughly stop developing at 16 and males 2 years later. Let's say, if a 18 year is dating 14 or 15 year old that person is at the mercy of the parent's consent who can chose to report it or not, which is fair. Finding "barely legal" girls attractive isn't weird, on the other hand specifically only lusting after "barely legal" girls suggest issues. This why I don't think Kendrick won the rap battle, Drake's clearly isn't specifically lusting after teens, pic related.

>>49057 Damn. GenX turned into grumpy boomers overnight.

Veering away from a gross topic, Anyone think Artists on Patreon would be the modern equivalent to underground artists? That they make short comics with their own OCs, do stuff injecting their own kinks into it and it can range from sexy bikini pics to explicit material. I would say the difference is artists using existing fictional characters and OCs, as well as fans being more direct with what they make. Either by voting on stuff for them to do, or commissioning stuff for them draw.

>>49078 I doubt it. Patreon is banning internet porn to please credit card companies.

>>49066 absofuckinglutely not

>>49091 This all circles back to the original question of supporting art that advocates for sexual assault. Credit card companies are reticent to fund artists that draw stories where women gain deadly amounts of weight for the sexual gratification of a man…especially if it’s mediated by consent robbing phenomenon such as hypnosis, ghostly mind control, etc. these sorts stories are more or less paranormal date rape drugs (basically a moral half step up from kidnapping a woman and fattening her in captivity).

>> What part of it as a fantasy is hard to process? Plus the women aren't real people. There are different artists with different things they focus on. Some focus on women fattened up against their will. Some focus on women embracing their size. Some women don't care or focus on how big they get. Plus it's a fantasy, what about BDSM stories where someone discovers they like to be belittled or be someone's sex property? Why aren't we saying this stuff advocates rape or abusive relationships? Unless a good chunk of the people who consume this act out horrific stuff in real life, we probably have nothing to worry about. I also want to make sure that if something does happen, it's a contained event and not an ongoing problem.

>>49103 I’m on your side. Ned was a pioneer at treating fat women as subjects in their debasement and not just objects acted upon. Ie this cartoon where ethnically coded lizard people important a fat woman’s elbow: with her consent and for fair pay.

Seinfeld fans are truly the most fragile snowflakes

>>49167 Fetish Art nowadays is an adult daycare center