>>82826 In doing so I identified what I call the Relational-Internalization Model (RIM), where we look past the surface-level fetish and view it as a feature of female identity malleability and sexual plasticity. My research suggests that for many women, this is not an innate "imprint" from childhood as is often the case for men, but a sophisticated psychological transition triggered by a high-trust relationship. The Core Concept: The Relational Mirror Traditional psychology often assumes our "sexual maps" are fixed early in life. The RIM challenges this by showing that a partner’s "Desire Frame" can act as a catalyst for a total identity rewrite. The Secure Base: If a partner—the primary source of emotional safety—worships a body type that society rejects, that validation creates a "Safe Harbor". The Relational Solvent: This doting behavior acts like a solvent, dissolving years of "diet-culture" programming and childhood body-shame. Identity Exchange: The subject essentially trades her "Public Social Capital" (being thin and conventionally attractive) for "Private Relational Gratification" (being worshipped and doted upon). The "Somatic Click": Neurological Re-wiring The most critical discovery in this research is the "Somatic Click". This is the moment when the behavior stops being about "pleasing a partner" and becomes an internal, self-sustaining drive. Interoceptive Arousal: Interoception is the brain's sense of what is happening inside the body. The Bridge: Through consistent sexual reinforcement, sensations that were once neutral or negative—like the pressure of "fullness" or the weight of one's limbs—become primary sexual triggers. Permanence: Once this neurological "click" occurs, the fetish is permanent. Case studies show that women who reached Stage 4 kept their preference even after their relationships ended.

>>82827 The "Platonic Ideal" of a female feedee—the profile with the highest probability of total internalization and the lowest resistance—is not a single trait, but a perfect alignment of identity-voids and relational-fillers. The "Platonic Ideal" convert is the "High-Attachment Abundance Immigrant." 1. The Persona: The Platonic Ideal Age: 19–22 (The "Freshman 50" window). Background: UK/European or food-positive Asian/Latino household (Low American diet-culture noise). Identity: Former "Project Manager" athlete (Soccer/Volleyball) currently in a "Liminal Gap" (post-graduation or injury). Relational Context: In a long-term, high-trust bond with a "Safe Authority" (Childhood crush or Husband). 2. The Multiplier Factors (Non-Mutually Exclusive) When these factors are present simultaneously, they don't just add up; they create a conversion syzygy that produces a Stage 4 internalizer who will likely never return to their previous weight. A. The "Tabula Rasa" Cultural Variable Converts are most common when the woman has no prior trauma associated with fatness. If she arrives in an environment of high abundance (Florida/Texas/USA) without having "traded" on her thinness for social status in that specific location, her resistance is near zero. She has no "old self" for the neighbors to remember, so the partner’s frame becomes her only local reality. B. Anxious-Preoccupied Attachment + Relational Mirroring The model runs fastest when the woman’s self-worth is communally distributed. * The Factor: She doesn't see herself; she sees his version of her. The multiplier: If she is anxiously attached, the dopamine hit of his "point-blank" praise ("You've gotten so hot") acts as a more powerful chemical incentive than the abstract societal pressure to be thin. C. The Somatic "Safety" Trigger (Phase 4 Logic) Converts are almost always high sensory-seekers. * The Factor: She finds the feeling of "fullness" to be physiologically grounding. The multiplier: If she has a high-stress lifestyle (Uni finals, WFH isolation), the "food coma" provides a somatic safety shield. When this physical comfort is paired with the partner’s sexual worship, the "Click Moment" is instantaneous because the brain associates weight gain with Safety + Pleasure + Love. D. The "Living Mirror" (The Competitor/Twin Variable) Surprisingly, having a thin control group nearby (an identical twin or a fit coworker) can increase conversion. The Factor: Instead of feeling shame at the divergence, she uses the partner's frame to view her "new self" as a superior, more "ethereal" or "goddess-like" version compared to the "boring" thin baseline. It turns the gain into a status-leveling event. 3. The "Internalization Velocity" Formula To produce the most converts, you need to minimize Exit Cost and maximize Relational Authority. Low Exit Cost: She is unemployed, WFH, or in a new city where she has no established "fit" reputation to protect. High Authority: The partner is someone she views as a protector or a "gentleman" (as piggrl on Reddit describes her boyfriend). Physical Catalyst: An injury or life shift that "breaks" the fitness habit, creating an empty "body project" slot that the partner’s desire can fill. Summary: The "Conversion" Recipe If you want to predict the demographic most likely to reach the "Point of No Return", look for: [Isolated Environment] + [High Pair-Bonding] + [High Somatic Arousal to Fullness] - [Prior Diet-Culture Investment]. When these intersect, the woman stops saying "He wants me fat" and starts saying "I am a greedy pig and I love it." This is the moment the external frame is discarded and the internal drive becomes self-sustaining. I have more but this is long enough already

Key takeways for feeders out there: 1. You are the "Relational Mirror" The primary driver of weight gain in female populations is often not a pre-existing fetish, but the partner's "Desire Frame". The Secure Base: You function as a "Secure Base" where your partner's self-worth becomes tied to your validation rather than societal standards. Relational Inversion: By worshipping the very physical traits that society rejects (fatness), you create a "Safe Harbor" that allows her to discard conventional beauty standards as a form of self-protection. This is also why you tend to find the fattest girls with the most ripped guys, it's not just because they like ripped guys, Women need the social validation of a high status male to gain large amounts of weight and not feel like losers. 2. Expect "Strategic Probing" (Stage 2) Before a partner fully commits to gaining weight, she will likely put you through a testing phase. The Test: This involves small, controlled acts of "letting go" (like unbuttoning pants at a meal or ordering extra food) to gauge your reaction. Your Role: High-intensity sexual doting and verbal praise during these probes are what provide the psychological safety needed to move past "Identity Friction". 3. The "Somatic Click" is the Goal (Stage 4) Internalization is successful when the desire becomes intrinsic, meaning she wants to gain weight for her own pleasure, not just yours. Fullness as a Trigger: 64% of subjects report that the sensation of "fullness" or internal pressure becomes their primary sexual trigger. Neurological Re-wiring: Once this "Click" happens, the preference is often permanent and can survive even if the relationship ends. 4. Understand "Identity Exit-Costs" Why do some women gain faster than others? The research shows that velocity is tied to what she has to lose socially. High Resistance: Corporate professionals or high-visibility public figures have the highest "Exit-Costs" because thinness is their professional currency; conversion can take 5–10 years. Low Resistance: Immigrants (who have no local reputation to protect) or former athletes (who swap the "fitness project" for a "gain project") often convert 3x faster. 5. The "Somatic Shield" Effect Weight gain often serves a deeper psychological purpose for the partner. Grounding: For those with histories of anxiety or trauma, the physical mass acts as a "Somatic Shield" that provides a sense of "Physical Presence" and confidence. Dysphoria of Loss: If forced to lose weight, internalized gainers often feel "hollow" or "exposed," viewing their thinner selves as a "malfunction" or a disguise. 6. Ethical Responsibility Because the feeder acts as the primary "Relational Solvent" for the partner's prior identity, the research highlights a significant responsibility. Permanence: Once the "Somatic Click" occurs, you have permanently re-wired her sexual self-schema. The Clinician's Paradox: While she may feel psychologically "healed" or more confident, the physiological risks of morbid obesity remain a permanent trade-off for that newfound identity.

>>82830 Yeah this all seems about right to me, dunno what somatic means but it all checks out

>>82834 somatic here just means sensations

>autism and more autism Women are hard-wired to want to please men, provided they feel safe and loved. E.G., take care of them and they'll take care of you. AKA, trust. Then let them know what you like — in a subtle and euphemistic way. "I want you 300 pounds" is gonna freak them out. "I wouldn't mind you a little curvier" might be the key. You have to know your partner. Praise for a slightly chubby celeb might work, but if she's the jealous type it may kill the whole deal. Learn to cook, well, and feed them. It's really an aspect of "take care of them" but here you have a bit more direct control. Take her to the drive-thru she might get shy. Present her with an indulgent meal, she'll feel compelled to eat it. Make it actually taste good, she'll have you cooking for her all the time. Then let nature will take its course. Keep in mind it's a long game if it's gonna stick. And this is not a guaranteed formula, as there are no guarantees in life, about anything.

>>82828 >have more but this is long enough already Please post more, this is excellent and needed

Taking extreme solace from the fact that not a single person posting in this thread will ever have a real life woman to try this shit on because DAMN

>>82885 Some of us are sex addicts who nut a few times a day. Anyway, plenty of women have submissive kinks and bdsm interests in humiliation and fear that comes with being fattened and the pain of being overfed.

>>82885 Sorry for trying to do some social science, apparently that makes me autistic. I don’t see you trying to solve the formula champ.

I just re-read the whole thing and this is great. You should eventually compile it all into a shareable pdf. Btw, can you detail more about the "stages"? You talk about them and even offer explanations for stages 2 and 4 but we may lack the full picture. Anyway the "Somatic click" is real and you can see it in any feedee who started thanks to a bf

>>82918 I’m working on a paper that I might release if it feels good enough. These are all copy pasted from the draft. # Relational Internalization Model (RIM): Revised Stage Framework Core mechanism: The attachment-sexuality coupling (Diamond) functions as the primary engine driving progression. Bond quality and intensity operate as moderating variables governing both the rate of progression through stages and the durability of Stage 5 once reached. Progressive physical embodiment creates independent feedback loops that can accelerate progression from Stage 3 onward. ----- ## Stage 1: Ignoring-Resisting Encounter with feeder/feedee norms or dynamics that are either irrelevant to the woman’s current self-concept or actively conflict with existing internal structures — around body image, appetite, control, sexuality, or identity. Response is reflexive rather than analytical. No sustained cognitive engagement occurs. Key features: - Resistance may be explicit (disgust, rejection) or passive (indifference) - Existing schemas around thinness, appetite suppression, or sexual identity function as blocking structures - The relational bond has either not formed yet or lacks sufficient intensity to make the norm emotionally salient - No erotic valence attached to feeder dynamics Moderating condition: The transition out of Stage 1 is not primarily cognitive. It is relational — bond intensity makes the partner’s desires salient rather than ignorable. ----- ## Stage 2: Affective-Cognitive Engagement Cognitive engagement begins, but crucially accompanied by an affective dimension that purely rationalist models understate. The woman grasps the logic or appeal of the dynamic through the partner’s experience of it — she begins to feel the emotional charge it carries for him, not merely understand it intellectually. Key features: - Physiological resonance with the partner’s arousal may precede conscious comprehension; affective response is not contingent on cognitive processing - The woman does not yet adopt the value but finds it emotionally alive rather than foreign - Her felt resonance is relational in origin — mediated by the bond — not independent erotic interest - Movement from Stage 1 occurs when the relational bond generates sufficient emotional salience to make the norm worth feeling rather than merely tolerating Defining characteristic: Pure cognition is insufficient as a mechanism in embodied and sexual domains. Stage 2 requires felt resonance — an affective response to the partner’s desire — before Stage 3 becomes accessible. ----- ## Stage 3: Behavioral Practice (Introjection) Experimental adoption in daily life — accepting food, allowing weight gain, engaging in feeding scenarios. Behavior is driven primarily by external motivations: partner approval, relationship maintenance, pleasing a desired person. Corresponds to SDT’s introjection. Effortful and tentative. Key features: - Behavior precedes identity update, consistent with Diamond’s longitudinal finding that women changed behavior before changing identity labels - The woman may experience cognitive dissonance — acting against prior body image schemas while not yet having integrated new ones - Physical embodiment begins generating independent feedback. Weight gain, changes in appetite experience, altered body sensation, and the partner’s visible arousal response to those changes create feedback loops back into the model. The body becomes a site of the fetish itself — structurally distinct from non-embodied value adoption because the process is cumulative and partially irreversible - Stage 3 can be sustained indefinitely without progression if bond quality is insufficient, producing a stable introjection plateau where behavior continues for relational rather than erotic reasons Failure mode: A woman can perform the feedee role completely through Stage 3 without internalizing the fetish itself. Behavioral adoption is not evidence of progression toward Stage 4. This is the central diagnostic challenge the model must account for. ----- ## Stage 4: Affective Resonance (Identified Regulation) A discrete intermediate stage, corresponding to SDT’s identified regulation, between introjection and full integration. The woman begins experiencing her own erotic response to the dynamic — not derived entirely from the partner’s arousal or contingent on his approval, but as an independent affective event. Key features: - She finds aspects of the dynamic arousing in the partner’s absence — in fantasy, anticipation, or private reflection - Her appetite itself may acquire erotic valence independent of his presence - This is the pivotal stage because it marks the partial decoupling of her erotic response from his — the dynamic is no longer his fetish she is servicing but something that generates autonomous charge in her - Embodied feedback from Stage 3 is a significant driver here — physical changes create new phenomenological material that her erotic imagination can attach to independent of the relational context - Bond quality is the primary predictor of Stage 4 emergence; bond intensity alone (infatuation) tends to produce Stage 3 behavior without generating the erotic autonomy that defines Stage 4 Diagnostic marker: Stage 4 is confirmed when arousal or desire around the dynamic persists in the partner’s absence. Without this marker, progression to Stage 5 is not occurring — the woman remains in sustained introjection regardless of behavioral compliance. ----- ## Stage 5: Full Integration Complete assimilation of the feeder/feedee dynamic into the woman’s erotic identity and self-concept. The value is no longer experienced as the partner’s preference she has adopted but as intrinsic to who she is. Behavior is internally motivated, identity-consistent, and stable across relational contexts. Key features: - Her own erotic response to the dynamic is the primary motivator, not partner approval — though both can coexist - The fetish is incorporated into her self-narrative: how she understands her body, her appetite, her sexuality - This state is not necessarily reversible if the relationship ends — identity integration is more durable than the relational context that produced it, though it may attenuate over time without reinforcement - Stage 5 represents the woman as an independent locus of the fetish rather than a participant in someone else’s Diagnostic distinction from Stage 3: A Stage 3 woman would likely not maintain feeder-related behavior or fantasy if the relationship ended. A Stage 5 woman would seek to reconstitute the dynamic in subsequent relationships or maintain it as a stable component of private erotic identity. ----- ## Moderating Variables Bond intensity governs the emotional salience of the partner’s desire across all stages and is the primary driver of the Stage 1 → Stage 2 transition. Bond quality — defined as felt security and primary attachment figure status — is the primary predictor of the Stage 3 → Stage 4 transition, specifically the emergence of autonomous erotic response that defines Stage 4. Embodied feedback loops function as an independent acceleration mechanism from Stage 3 onward, partially bypassing relational moderators. Physical change creates phenomenological material that the woman’s erotic imagination can operate on independent of bond dynamics, and may sustain progression even when bond quality is suboptimal. Prior schema rigidity — including body image investment, appetite suppression history, and sexual identity certainty — predicts Stage 1 resistance depth and Stage 2 latency.

Here are the variables I was able to extract that predict feedee formation, baseline is 1% chance(based on studies that indicate 1/100 women are fat fetishists) and every variable multiplies that chance and are multiplicative, so your best chance of turning a girl is 70.5% in the ideal scenario