>>82826 In doing so I identified what I call the Relational-Internalization Model (RIM), where we look past the surface-level fetish and view it as a feature of female identity malleability and sexual plasticity. My research suggests that for many women, this is not an innate "imprint" from childhood as is often the case for men, but a sophisticated psychological transition triggered by a high-trust relationship. The Core Concept: The Relational Mirror Traditional psychology often assumes our "sexual maps" are fixed early in life. The RIM challenges this by showing that a partner’s "Desire Frame" can act as a catalyst for a total identity rewrite. The Secure Base: If a partner—the primary source of emotional safety—worships a body type that society rejects, that validation creates a "Safe Harbor". The Relational Solvent: This doting behavior acts like a solvent, dissolving years of "diet-culture" programming and childhood body-shame. Identity Exchange: The subject essentially trades her "Public Social Capital" (being thin and conventionally attractive) for "Private Relational Gratification" (being worshipped and doted upon). The "Somatic Click": Neurological Re-wiring The most critical discovery in this research is the "Somatic Click". This is the moment when the behavior stops being about "pleasing a partner" and becomes an internal, self-sustaining drive. Interoceptive Arousal: Interoception is the brain's sense of what is happening inside the body. The Bridge: Through consistent sexual reinforcement, sensations that were once neutral or negative—like the pressure of "fullness" or the weight of one's limbs—become primary sexual triggers. Permanence: Once this neurological "click" occurs, the fetish is permanent. Case studies show that women who reached Stage 4 kept their preference even after their relationships ended.

>>82827 The "Platonic Ideal" of a female feedee—the profile with the highest probability of total internalization and the lowest resistance—is not a single trait, but a perfect alignment of identity-voids and relational-fillers. The "Platonic Ideal" convert is the "High-Attachment Abundance Immigrant." 1. The Persona: The Platonic Ideal Age: 19–22 (The "Freshman 50" window). Background: UK/European or food-positive Asian/Latino household (Low American diet-culture noise). Identity: Former "Project Manager" athlete (Soccer/Volleyball) currently in a "Liminal Gap" (post-graduation or injury). Relational Context: In a long-term, high-trust bond with a "Safe Authority" (Childhood crush or Husband). 2. The Multiplier Factors (Non-Mutually Exclusive) When these factors are present simultaneously, they don't just add up; they create a conversion syzygy that produces a Stage 4 internalizer who will likely never return to their previous weight. A. The "Tabula Rasa" Cultural Variable Converts are most common when the woman has no prior trauma associated with fatness. If she arrives in an environment of high abundance (Florida/Texas/USA) without having "traded" on her thinness for social status in that specific location, her resistance is near zero. She has no "old self" for the neighbors to remember, so the partner’s frame becomes her only local reality. B. Anxious-Preoccupied Attachment + Relational Mirroring The model runs fastest when the woman’s self-worth is communally distributed. * The Factor: She doesn't see herself; she sees his version of her. The multiplier: If she is anxiously attached, the dopamine hit of his "point-blank" praise ("You've gotten so hot") acts as a more powerful chemical incentive than the abstract societal pressure to be thin. C. The Somatic "Safety" Trigger (Phase 4 Logic) Converts are almost always high sensory-seekers. * The Factor: She finds the feeling of "fullness" to be physiologically grounding. The multiplier: If she has a high-stress lifestyle (Uni finals, WFH isolation), the "food coma" provides a somatic safety shield. When this physical comfort is paired with the partner’s sexual worship, the "Click Moment" is instantaneous because the brain associates weight gain with Safety + Pleasure + Love. D. The "Living Mirror" (The Competitor/Twin Variable) Surprisingly, having a thin control group nearby (an identical twin or a fit coworker) can increase conversion. The Factor: Instead of feeling shame at the divergence, she uses the partner's frame to view her "new self" as a superior, more "ethereal" or "goddess-like" version compared to the "boring" thin baseline. It turns the gain into a status-leveling event. 3. The "Internalization Velocity" Formula To produce the most converts, you need to minimize Exit Cost and maximize Relational Authority. Low Exit Cost: She is unemployed, WFH, or in a new city where she has no established "fit" reputation to protect. High Authority: The partner is someone she views as a protector or a "gentleman" (as piggrl on Reddit describes her boyfriend). Physical Catalyst: An injury or life shift that "breaks" the fitness habit, creating an empty "body project" slot that the partner’s desire can fill. Summary: The "Conversion" Recipe If you want to predict the demographic most likely to reach the "Point of No Return", look for: [Isolated Environment] + [High Pair-Bonding] + [High Somatic Arousal to Fullness] - [Prior Diet-Culture Investment]. When these intersect, the woman stops saying "He wants me fat" and starts saying "I am a greedy pig and I love it." This is the moment the external frame is discarded and the internal drive becomes self-sustaining. I have more but this is long enough already

Key takeways for feeders out there: 1. You are the "Relational Mirror" The primary driver of weight gain in female populations is often not a pre-existing fetish, but the partner's "Desire Frame". The Secure Base: You function as a "Secure Base" where your partner's self-worth becomes tied to your validation rather than societal standards. Relational Inversion: By worshipping the very physical traits that society rejects (fatness), you create a "Safe Harbor" that allows her to discard conventional beauty standards as a form of self-protection. This is also why you tend to find the fattest girls with the most ripped guys, it's not just because they like ripped guys, Women need the social validation of a high status male to gain large amounts of weight and not feel like losers. 2. Expect "Strategic Probing" (Stage 2) Before a partner fully commits to gaining weight, she will likely put you through a testing phase. The Test: This involves small, controlled acts of "letting go" (like unbuttoning pants at a meal or ordering extra food) to gauge your reaction. Your Role: High-intensity sexual doting and verbal praise during these probes are what provide the psychological safety needed to move past "Identity Friction". 3. The "Somatic Click" is the Goal (Stage 4) Internalization is successful when the desire becomes intrinsic, meaning she wants to gain weight for her own pleasure, not just yours. Fullness as a Trigger: 64% of subjects report that the sensation of "fullness" or internal pressure becomes their primary sexual trigger. Neurological Re-wiring: Once this "Click" happens, the preference is often permanent and can survive even if the relationship ends. 4. Understand "Identity Exit-Costs" Why do some women gain faster than others? The research shows that velocity is tied to what she has to lose socially. High Resistance: Corporate professionals or high-visibility public figures have the highest "Exit-Costs" because thinness is their professional currency; conversion can take 5–10 years. Low Resistance: Immigrants (who have no local reputation to protect) or former athletes (who swap the "fitness project" for a "gain project") often convert 3x faster. 5. The "Somatic Shield" Effect Weight gain often serves a deeper psychological purpose for the partner. Grounding: For those with histories of anxiety or trauma, the physical mass acts as a "Somatic Shield" that provides a sense of "Physical Presence" and confidence. Dysphoria of Loss: If forced to lose weight, internalized gainers often feel "hollow" or "exposed," viewing their thinner selves as a "malfunction" or a disguise. 6. Ethical Responsibility Because the feeder acts as the primary "Relational Solvent" for the partner's prior identity, the research highlights a significant responsibility. Permanence: Once the "Somatic Click" occurs, you have permanently re-wired her sexual self-schema. The Clinician's Paradox: While she may feel psychologically "healed" or more confident, the physiological risks of morbid obesity remain a permanent trade-off for that newfound identity.

>>82830 Yeah this all seems about right to me, dunno what somatic means but it all checks out

>>82834 somatic here just means sensations

>autism and more autism Women are hard-wired to want to please men, provided they feel safe and loved. E.G., take care of them and they'll take care of you. AKA, trust. Then let them know what you like — in a subtle and euphemistic way. "I want you 300 pounds" is gonna freak them out. "I wouldn't mind you a little curvier" might be the key. You have to know your partner. Praise for a slightly chubby celeb might work, but if she's the jealous type it may kill the whole deal. Learn to cook, well, and feed them. It's really an aspect of "take care of them" but here you have a bit more direct control. Take her to the drive-thru she might get shy. Present her with an indulgent meal, she'll feel compelled to eat it. Make it actually taste good, she'll have you cooking for her all the time. Then let nature will take its course. Keep in mind it's a long game if it's gonna stick. And this is not a guaranteed formula, as there are no guarantees in life, about anything.

>>82828 >have more but this is long enough already Please post more, this is excellent and needed

Taking extreme solace from the fact that not a single person posting in this thread will ever have a real life woman to try this shit on because DAMN

>>82885 Some of us are sex addicts who nut a few times a day. Anyway, plenty of women have submissive kinks and bdsm interests in humiliation and fear that comes with being fattened and the pain of being overfed.

>>82885 Sorry for trying to do some social science, apparently that makes me autistic. I don’t see you trying to solve the formula champ.

I just re-read the whole thing and this is great. You should eventually compile it all into a shareable pdf. Btw, can you detail more about the "stages"? You talk about them and even offer explanations for stages 2 and 4 but we may lack the full picture. Anyway the "Somatic click" is real and you can see it in any feedee who started thanks to a bf

>>82918 I’m working on a paper that I might release if it feels good enough. These are all copy pasted from the draft. # Relational Internalization Model (RIM): Revised Stage Framework Core mechanism: The attachment-sexuality coupling (Diamond) functions as the primary engine driving progression. Bond quality and intensity operate as moderating variables governing both the rate of progression through stages and the durability of Stage 5 once reached. Progressive physical embodiment creates independent feedback loops that can accelerate progression from Stage 3 onward. ----- ## Stage 1: Ignoring-Resisting Encounter with feeder/feedee norms or dynamics that are either irrelevant to the woman’s current self-concept or actively conflict with existing internal structures — around body image, appetite, control, sexuality, or identity. Response is reflexive rather than analytical. No sustained cognitive engagement occurs. Key features: - Resistance may be explicit (disgust, rejection) or passive (indifference) - Existing schemas around thinness, appetite suppression, or sexual identity function as blocking structures - The relational bond has either not formed yet or lacks sufficient intensity to make the norm emotionally salient - No erotic valence attached to feeder dynamics Moderating condition: The transition out of Stage 1 is not primarily cognitive. It is relational — bond intensity makes the partner’s desires salient rather than ignorable. ----- ## Stage 2: Affective-Cognitive Engagement Cognitive engagement begins, but crucially accompanied by an affective dimension that purely rationalist models understate. The woman grasps the logic or appeal of the dynamic through the partner’s experience of it — she begins to feel the emotional charge it carries for him, not merely understand it intellectually. Key features: - Physiological resonance with the partner’s arousal may precede conscious comprehension; affective response is not contingent on cognitive processing - The woman does not yet adopt the value but finds it emotionally alive rather than foreign - Her felt resonance is relational in origin — mediated by the bond — not independent erotic interest - Movement from Stage 1 occurs when the relational bond generates sufficient emotional salience to make the norm worth feeling rather than merely tolerating Defining characteristic: Pure cognition is insufficient as a mechanism in embodied and sexual domains. Stage 2 requires felt resonance — an affective response to the partner’s desire — before Stage 3 becomes accessible. ----- ## Stage 3: Behavioral Practice (Introjection) Experimental adoption in daily life — accepting food, allowing weight gain, engaging in feeding scenarios. Behavior is driven primarily by external motivations: partner approval, relationship maintenance, pleasing a desired person. Corresponds to SDT’s introjection. Effortful and tentative. Key features: - Behavior precedes identity update, consistent with Diamond’s longitudinal finding that women changed behavior before changing identity labels - The woman may experience cognitive dissonance — acting against prior body image schemas while not yet having integrated new ones - Physical embodiment begins generating independent feedback. Weight gain, changes in appetite experience, altered body sensation, and the partner’s visible arousal response to those changes create feedback loops back into the model. The body becomes a site of the fetish itself — structurally distinct from non-embodied value adoption because the process is cumulative and partially irreversible - Stage 3 can be sustained indefinitely without progression if bond quality is insufficient, producing a stable introjection plateau where behavior continues for relational rather than erotic reasons Failure mode: A woman can perform the feedee role completely through Stage 3 without internalizing the fetish itself. Behavioral adoption is not evidence of progression toward Stage 4. This is the central diagnostic challenge the model must account for. ----- ## Stage 4: Affective Resonance (Identified Regulation) A discrete intermediate stage, corresponding to SDT’s identified regulation, between introjection and full integration. The woman begins experiencing her own erotic response to the dynamic — not derived entirely from the partner’s arousal or contingent on his approval, but as an independent affective event. Key features: - She finds aspects of the dynamic arousing in the partner’s absence — in fantasy, anticipation, or private reflection - Her appetite itself may acquire erotic valence independent of his presence - This is the pivotal stage because it marks the partial decoupling of her erotic response from his — the dynamic is no longer his fetish she is servicing but something that generates autonomous charge in her - Embodied feedback from Stage 3 is a significant driver here — physical changes create new phenomenological material that her erotic imagination can attach to independent of the relational context - Bond quality is the primary predictor of Stage 4 emergence; bond intensity alone (infatuation) tends to produce Stage 3 behavior without generating the erotic autonomy that defines Stage 4 Diagnostic marker: Stage 4 is confirmed when arousal or desire around the dynamic persists in the partner’s absence. Without this marker, progression to Stage 5 is not occurring — the woman remains in sustained introjection regardless of behavioral compliance. ----- ## Stage 5: Full Integration Complete assimilation of the feeder/feedee dynamic into the woman’s erotic identity and self-concept. The value is no longer experienced as the partner’s preference she has adopted but as intrinsic to who she is. Behavior is internally motivated, identity-consistent, and stable across relational contexts. Key features: - Her own erotic response to the dynamic is the primary motivator, not partner approval — though both can coexist - The fetish is incorporated into her self-narrative: how she understands her body, her appetite, her sexuality - This state is not necessarily reversible if the relationship ends — identity integration is more durable than the relational context that produced it, though it may attenuate over time without reinforcement - Stage 5 represents the woman as an independent locus of the fetish rather than a participant in someone else’s Diagnostic distinction from Stage 3: A Stage 3 woman would likely not maintain feeder-related behavior or fantasy if the relationship ended. A Stage 5 woman would seek to reconstitute the dynamic in subsequent relationships or maintain it as a stable component of private erotic identity. ----- ## Moderating Variables Bond intensity governs the emotional salience of the partner’s desire across all stages and is the primary driver of the Stage 1 → Stage 2 transition. Bond quality — defined as felt security and primary attachment figure status — is the primary predictor of the Stage 3 → Stage 4 transition, specifically the emergence of autonomous erotic response that defines Stage 4. Embodied feedback loops function as an independent acceleration mechanism from Stage 3 onward, partially bypassing relational moderators. Physical change creates phenomenological material that the woman’s erotic imagination can operate on independent of bond dynamics, and may sustain progression even when bond quality is suboptimal. Prior schema rigidity — including body image investment, appetite suppression history, and sexual identity certainty — predicts Stage 1 resistance depth and Stage 2 latency.

Here are the variables I was able to extract that predict feedee formation, baseline is 1% chance(based on studies that indicate 1/100 women are fat fetishists) and every variable multiplies that chance and are multiplicative, so your best chance of turning a girl is 70.5% in the ideal scenario

This some peak autism right here

>>82981 I have a loving marriage with a 400lbs woman, and took down 20-30 women over 200lbs before that, so I can also back the science up with personal experience. If you’re not interested in why some women take the plunge and learn to enjoy getting fat, I can’t help you. Go ride a bicycle and stick to jerking off I guess.

>>82987 No man i'm on board, real recognizes real. Keep it up science team this was more needed than you know. Marx turned socialism scientific, why can't we with feedism, we're talking revolutionary work here.

>>82994 In that case thank you, I’m trying, but like Marx I’m an enthusiastic but unconventional amateur

>>82987 LARP

>>83001 Stop bullshitting dude, we know you're jealous

>>82953 Many of the women I know in the 400-500 pound range exist in a transient state that's kind of a blend of Stage 4 and complete denial. They allow themselves the pleasure of eating, being loved and enjoying the partner's arousal at their fat and when they eat, but they're unable to let go of the imaginary identity in their minds of, being skinny. They perpetually live in two realities, the real one where they're addicted to food and pushing 500 pounds; and the one in their mind where they could easily and quickly lose the weight and are "basically" still skinny. They never reach stage 5 and "Fully Integrate" feedism into their identity, BECAUSE they are unable to let go of the identity that has nothing to do with feedism. This inability stems from all the usual suspects; societal pressures, childhood trauma from being called fat, etc. This creates a very powerful cognitive dissonance that results in oftentimes unpredictable behavior like one day she lets you feed her and talks about how much weight you've put on her, the next day she's crying about how fat she is and needs to go on a diet and go to the gym and lose weight. A funny thing I've noticed that happens with a lot of these women, not all of them but it's definitely a pattern, is they'll get with a guy who is OBVIOUSLY a feeder, and will fully believe in their minds that the relationship has nothing to do with feedism at all. They actually think the guy just likes her for her personality, and that it has nothing to do with the fact that she's 450 pounds, has a massive belly and is deep in a binge eating disorder. This is only possible by being in Stage 4 and simultaneously being in complete denial. It seems like very very few women actually progess to Stage 5. My wife is stage 5 and I'm very grateful for that.

>>82885 This reads like a young woman, younger than 25. I have bad news for you: all the men you hate get laid regularly. I know, it sucks. Many of the guys on here are married to the models whose feminist posts you share on tumblr.

>>82826 This is some fantastic work, and I thank you. I believe it would be better appreciated if it were put into more understandable terms for the non-scientific audience. Keep it up, this is needed.

>>83010 Thank you, this is very valuable testimony. It would make sense that dual identities would persist even at such a late stage because the whole chain of stages you constantly run into the strength of female self identification. I don’t have currently a list of what it takes to move From stage 4to stage 5, just what is LIKELY to move a woman up a stage, it’s possible that unless the woman in question has a very weak sense of self it would take a variable that dissolves identity, such as relocation, or trauma fracturing the old identity, to fully move from stage 4 to 5, unless she has a preexisting fetish that she is trying to suppress. Stage 4 to 5 is the biggest jump, as you have pointed out each of the other stages can be seen by the feedee as a sort of “play” that can be reversed should she chose. And to the others seriously engaging in my work, thank you, I’ll keep trying and posting my findings in this thread.

>>83015 >Stage 4 to 5 is the biggest jump, as you have pointed out each of the other stages can be seen by the feedee as a sort of “play” that can be reversed should she chose. That is where you experience will be extremely valuable, I think. A woman who hates being fat yet cannot help it is a bummer for any FA/feeder but even moreso ina world where GLP-1 is available. We need reliable strategies to make the jump happen. Perhaps co-opting therapy practices would help but I think you expert feeders might be great. Especially since you have fattened up many girls. >>83010 >My wife is stage 5 and I'm very grateful for that. Based. Was she always like this or was it your work?

>>83028 OP here, I actually spoke to a therapist friend about that but he was skeptical. Consent is baked into many of the variables, enthusiastic consent even, and therapists don't try and make people feel anything. What this hints at is manufactured consent, which is more similar to advertising and marketing techniques.

>>82953 Turbo autism. The low functioning kind augmented by ChatGPT. At no point did one person with a functional understanding of human emotions contribute to this thread. Plenty of women have fetishes without getting trained into it by a man. They were stuffing pillows under their shirts and fantasizing about being fat their whole lives. Utter retardation, lacking in any of the grounding evidence based aspects of science. Yet it’s written in a clearly AI voice prompted by “rewrite my retarded ramblings as a scientific theory without using critical thinking.”

>>83063 Dude, OP literally said that this was a python script an these were the outputs

>>83063 If you look at my list of variables, Latent Disposition is one of the highest weighted, because I acknowledge that some women just have the fetish. Maybe you could argue it should have a weight of 100x, but not everyone woman acts on their fetish or is able to accept it.

>>83082 There are 2-3 variables: 1) personal desire to be fat 2) social pressure to be thin Most women are disgusted by being fat and would feel ugly fat unless their partner was hot. Most women aren’t willing to tank their market value for a fetish or partner.

>>83095 You’re describing the male pathway into the fetish, your pathway. Men develop a fetish in boyhood and it persists throughout their life with little variation. Female Pathways to fetish formation are more diverse and complicated. The pathway you’re describing that is similar to the male route is the extreme minority, 1/7 cases maybe. Women develop fetishes for diverse reasons, hold them more weakly, and develop them for social reasons not because they were necessarily exposed to the fetish object at a young age. Women will become feedees to please a partner and then internalize the fetish, as a rebellion against their mom and society for under feeding them and pressuring them to become skinny, because they enjoy the BDSM aspects. A lot of them will allow a partner to fatten them up and not even enjoy it. You just don’t really know anything about female desire, and you’re a namefag. Here’s a reading list, maybe then we can talk: Madill, Adrienne, and Yu Zhao. “Are Female Paraphilias Hiding in Plain Sight? Risqué Male–Male Erotica for Women in Sinophone and Anglophone Regions.” Rehor, Jennifer Eve. “Sensual, Erotic, and Sexual Behaviors of Women from the ‘Kink’ Community.” Schuerwegen, Alana, Wim Huys, Violette Coppens, Niels De Neef, Josée Henckens, Kris Goethals, and Manuel Morrens. “The Psychology of Kink: A Cross-Sectional Survey Study Investigating the Roles of Sensation Seeking and Coping Style in BDSM-Related Interests.”

>>83102 Can confirm. All the feedees I've dated were raised, not born. You teach them, guide them into it. Takes some balls, some experience, some skill. Few men can just figure this out day 1 out of the blue, it takes a lot of time. Trial and error

I have had experiences with several women who took to gaining pretty easy, but only two that seemed to have "click" that's being discussed. When you get that, it's like a drug. I couldn't get enough.

>>83102 I think this is pretty much spot on. Men often don’t understand how much more fluid sexuality can be for other people. There is something definitely to be said for latent disposition though. I’ve known plenty of women who’d fit in this category over the years, and definitely a strong contributing factor.

>>83102 What should I do? What originated as a fetish, is now affecting my day to day life. I will admit that fat women don't repulse me, I find it arousing. However I will admit that my fetish is a defect in my brain. You really can't control attraction, it's such a primitive force that dictates how we spend reproductive energy. I'm 33 and my current girlfriend is 38 at 5'7" 320lbs. The sex is how it started, but after 9 months in, we're doing things beyond messing around. We hang out, she comes to my house and I go to hers. We have more in common that I initially thought. I always had issues getting women, but then I realized the women I ended up, isn't exactly the woman I had in mind. Do I just lack self respect?

>>83169 Wtf is the problem here? You just described the beginning of a healthy relationship with a woman you're attracted to. The defect in your brain is thinking you need to leave that

>>83179 Right. I swear the internet has fried some people's brains so much. Living your life to impress others is a waste. >>83169 You've had issues getting with other women because you were chasing after women you weren't actually attracted to. Women pick up on this easily and place you in the friendzone

>>83169 >>83179 >>83180 Totally. This guy’s brain isn’t broken, he’s attracted to his gf and thinks that means something is wrong lol

>>83179 >>83180 >>83183 I think I feel this way because I am attracted to what she looks like, but I understand obesity isn't healthy. I don't bring up her weight to her, that is a decision that is entirely hers. My family thinks its weird, but they have been pushing me to other people, so I really don't care what they think. I know she's not the ideal standard for most people, but we have too much in common for me to ditch her for someone else. She even got me out of my porn addiction; I no longer feel the need to goon and debase myself, because now the attraction is on the person and not just the visuals.

>>83192 is this the schizo guy everyone keeps talking about?

>>83192 >Help! I need to figure out what to do in this relationship where I'm happy to be spending time with someone, they fit my fetish, and we share a lot in common! >I need help because uh... she uh... doesn't have a traditional body type! You know you're allowed to be happy when you're in a stable partnership, right? There isn't even a conflict here besides some minor friction from outside approval, which if you're looking for companionship for vanity that is way more of a personal issue. Nobody gives a damn if she isn't an 'ideal standard' because nobody cares who you marry to begin with— it's *your* wife. Unless cartoonishly evil rape demons follow you every waking second to get off on stealing your wife, you really shouldn't be concerned with what a normal idealic romantic partner should be when you have someone you're comfortable with.